Talk:Carl Michael Ziehrer

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Confusing Language[edit]

In the second paragraph, we find the end of a sentence: "that the two men could not agree upon and has since parted in high enmity." Should this be re-worded? What exactly is this second paragraph trying to say? In the seventh paragraph, another: "which oddly-enough among them his personal appearance as well". Smyslov 18:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like a translation - in need of a rewrite! Would you like to have a go? --Kleinzach 00:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

The lead was/is "Karl Michael Ziehrer (also Carl M. Ziehrer) (2 May 1843 - 14 November 1922) was an Austrian composer and military bandmaster. In his lifetime, he was better known as one of the fiercest rivals of the Strauss family, especially Johann Strauss II and Eduard Strauss."

I made two small changes. I deleted "and military bandmaster" in the first sentence because (1) being a bandmaster was not as significant an occupation for Ziehrer as being a composer, and (2) it's already mentioned in the main text. And I deleted "better" in the second sentence because the intended comparison was unclear and the word, in any case, is redundant.

However to my surprise I see that Melodia has immediately reverted my edits. Why? What's the point? Can I have an explanation please? --Klein zach 14:18, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More Viennese in nature?[edit]

What does that mean? What is Viennese nature?

Carl, not Karl![edit]

Karl who? His name was 'Carl', not 'Karl'. It's not a kind of also allowed spelling, it's just wrong! For me there is no reason to use a different, wrong, spelling - not in English, not in Wikipedia, not anywhere. 91.115.52.144 (talk) 13:21, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The cited source (Baker's Biographical Dictionary) says "Karl". If you have a source that says Baker's is wrong, by all means bring it forward, and also please inform the publishers of Baker's, who will want to correct this in future editions.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 23:15, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They must have their reasons, though no explanation is given in the Concise 7th edition, which even goes into the Cyrillic spelling of George Frideric Ghendel. In any case it's hard to square 'K' with WP:CommonName when a random sample of a dozen title pages, 3 monument inscriptions, WP:de and ziehrer.at. all use 'Carl'. Grove Online usually lists aliases, but in this case "Karl" is missing and for the main entry curiously reads "Ziehrer, C(arl) M(ichael)", a sign of the status accorded operetta masters, I suppose. I'd support a page move. Sparafucil (talk) 00:33, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As a matter of fact, the edition of Baker's cited here is the sixth, from 1978. The latest, eighth edition (2001) lists him as "Ziehrer, Carl Michael", with no mention of the spelling with K. I agree that a page move is called for.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 19:48, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]