Talk:Catholic Marian music

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I assume this is work in progress, so won't tidy up now. But it should be at least put into sentences ASAP. Don't forget Stabat Mater. Johnbod (talk) 23:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

You are right, but work in progress may be too kind anyway. If you know this topic, please feel free to extend it. That page got a barnstar as a good start yesterday, but it was done quickly as a stub and if you can expand it, I will appreciate it. For the record: I am no musician, just listen to it. So if you know more about music and can expand this, I am all ears. History2007 (talk) 23:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Would the concept of Catholic Marian Music include popular 19th and 20th century hymns, or older folksongs like O Sanctissima? Or are you just sticking with classical music? Xandar (talk) 22:38, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

In fact, I really have no idea. I know so little about music and I just started the page because it needs to be there. If you know this topic, your suggestions will be appreciated. The key question is this: "How should this page be organized?" I mean should it have subsections that are arranged by time period, or subsections arranged by theme or style or by type of music, etc. My suggestion would be to use type or style. My problem: I do not even know what types or styles of music may be suitable. So if you know that please do contriibute it. Thanks History2007 (talk) 22:55, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Structure

I like the existing structure, because it allows for flexibility to include all kinds of items including modern Marian hyms of course. A different way to structure would have been liturgical, using different elements of the liturgy and different liturgies as defining categories. Since the article is not very long, we can do both for the time being. I do not have access to "Marian music", only to individual composers such as Haydn and other items. It would involve very much work, to put these together. As I find material, I will enter it of course. Marian folk songs during pilgimages could be one such item. We must be patient with this page, it will take time.--Ambrosius007 (talk) 08:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I think impact should also be considered. The main point about music is the impact it makes on people. Hence the Marian folk songs must certainly be in, for they bond people together, and hence impact Mariology by building sensus fidelium. History2007 (talk) 09:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

This is a vast and loosely defined subject. But why not encourage more participation by broadening it to Marian music? One could then include Protestant reworkings like Salve coelestia Pater, a testament to the hold of the marian antiphons in North Germany.

It's easier to discuss genres and liturgies than to keep giving snapshots of historical periods, but I agree it seems viable for genres to be discussed (somewhat) as at present in the order they originated, followed by subsequent modifications and developments. "Ave, salve and gaude hymns" should probably be titled like the main article, and "Holy Mass Music" seems to be about settings of the ordinary, with or without the "Spiritus et alme orphanorum paraclete" trope. There should be two headings, one for such feasts of the BMV, another for Ladymasses (covered much too broadly in Votive Mass). The Palestrina masses appear to fall into a third category of parody masses based on preexisting compositions, which may or may not have any marian use- parody technique (another article needing rescue!) was applied equally to secular music. Sparafucil (talk) 21:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Regarding broadening it, given that the current article is not even finished that might make things even less neat and tidy. Now, the links and terms you provided gave a few ideas to do searches on - so pleas give me some time to think about what you said and I may even begin to learn the subject. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 06:38, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Sources

Who is Büse, btw? Sparafucil (talk) 22:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I think means Handbuch der Marienkunde by Büse - not sold in every Barnes and Nobles book store, but the previous editor (Ambrosius) who was an expert in Mariology relied on that a lot. History2007 (talk) 06:34, 9 June 2010 (UTC)