Talk:Catlinite

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current situation[edit]

Could someone famiiar with the topic include discussion on the current status and supply of pipestone? -FZ 22:06, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

American-centric article?[edit]

I'm surprised at the brief mention of what is called "pipeclay" in England. After seeing numerous different mentions of "pipeclayed belts" on redcoats uniforms and such, and just now seeing a reference in a Horatio Hornblower novel about "pipeclayed ropes", I decided to turn to the internet to find out more. All it says here is that it's a sort of white clay used to color things...yes, I had already deduced as much. I was hoping for more details...what sort of clay, how does one use it to color leather cross-belts, how often must they renew it before it wears away completely, doesn't it make a terrible mess of uniforms, turn powdery? etc. That and the name "pipeclay" given to it, suggests that (as the article says) the English use it to make pipes and such out of...why such a decided emphasis on the fact that Native Americans ALSO made pipes out of it? Both cultures used it to make pipes, the English used it as a coloring agent; an interesting note is that the pipes the Native Americans made were of religious significance. That's how I'd rank it in terms of relevance. .45Colt 22:07, 5 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by .45Colt (talkcontribs)

Since the article is clearly titled "Catlinite" maybe it would make more sense to have "pipeclay" be a disambiguation page with a link to a page on the European white clay pipeclay and a link to this article? It doesn't really make sense to discuss something that is really not catlinite on the catlinite page. 50.137.253.161 (talk) 15:26, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I'd suggest that you find some good references and write an article on the English or European pipeclay and then pipeclay could be made a disambbiuation page. Vsmith (talk) 16:17, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
I've made the disambig page for Pipeclay. @Johnbod:, I'm not a mineralogist (sp?), but I do know that the catlinite pipestone Plains Natives use for ceremonial pipes only comes from North America. Many consider only the Minnesota quarry to be the genuine material. There is no reason for this article to be changed to a "worldwide view," or to put another substance, clay into this. Pipeclay, used to mold a smoking pipe, is not the same as Pipestone, which needs to be carved. There are east coast tribes who make social smoking pipes out of clay, but those are social pipes, from unrelated tribes. What would be more appropriate is to work on that in the sections in smoking pipe, or Tobacco pipe, not here. There has been some some re-organizing and renaming of those articles, btw, that could really use cleanup. - CorbieV 16:38, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm very far from wanting pipeclay in this article - it redirects here but it should not (see the complaint, not by me, at the start of the section). I intend to write a proper article on it. It is not surprising if "the catlinite pipestone Plains Natives use for ceremonial pipes only comes from North America". But it would be surprising if this mineral, which apparently appears in many locations in North America, is only found in North America. So the "worldwide" tag is certainly justified, in the absence of clear references that the mineral actually is unique to North America. Johnbod (talk) 16:46, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
I really don't understand what you're trying to do here. - CorbieV 16:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Read my comments and edit-summaries again? Anyway, I'm very happy to see pipeclay taken out of here. Johnbod (talk) 16:57, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
(Edit Conflict) Then why do you keep putting it back in? Just take it out and put it somewhere else or one of us will. Right now it's just inappropriate. Though looking over this, it's not the only inappropriate content. The article is pretty messed up. "Catlinite" is only one kind of Pipestone. There is content here talking about the black stone, which is also used for some tribes' sacred pipes, but is not Catlinite. I think Pipestone and Catlinite need to be separated in some way. Looking some more over related articles. - CorbieV 17:02, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Check the history dude. Johnbod (talk) 04:08, 29 July 2015 (UTC)