Talk:Chinese alchemy

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I have added a reference to the Neijing, also some stuff about actual Taoist alchemical practices surrounding the legend of Lu Tung Ping with reference to several texts including The Secret of the Golden Flower.Chuangzu (talk) 01:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


If whoever wrote this had any idea what he was talking about, he would know that Cinnabar is native vermillion (aka, mercury sulfide.) It's not assumed to be related to mercury, it is mercury. (talk) 22:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Neidan Stanza#1[edit]

The first stanza in the Neidan segment is totally misleading, cinnabar or Mercury was a misunderstanding by the Middles Ages alchemists including Isaac Newton for "lead" which was transmitted as a translation from the Chinese 'alchemy' that in no way nor intended to refer to the metal itself. "Lead" in Chinese Alchemical taxonomy refers to a part of the anatomy in the context of Neidan, that does not relate to anything external, anything but. Neidan itself in the human 'yuenren-anatomy'is tripartite, which would be Jing Qi Shen as elaborated in the later stanzas as it is. Chinese Alchemy is a knowledge precisely on how these components operate, relate to each other and their benefits. Jesus and the saints' halo is the result of an attainment of Chinese Alchemy, and of Neidan. None of this by the way is verifiable by the scholars today. I'd suggest to delete Stanza#1 in this segment. ACHKC (talk) 15:09, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Intro & Origins[edit]

One of the very few surviving document on when Chinese Alchemy existed was Huangdi Neijing, the date of which disputed but attributable to the reign of Huangdi. If we apply when "Taoism" or Taoist organized activities was deemed to have started, certainly it predated the latter by at least 2,200~2,400 years. I noted the editors cited gold-making as traceable to Chinese Alchemy or "Liandan", nothing could be further from the truth, in fact "Jingdan" was the state of fusion when Jing Qi Shen was painstakingly "refined" and the dan in Neidan process complete, the "Jing" in its origin never referred to the metal gold itself, merely a suggestion that the state if dan in that fusion was invaluable. Chinese Alchemy in its origin and its intent was not a process to refine any matter to gold, but to refine the inner workings of JQS into a state of pre-birth purity, a state that approximates to "yuanren", there is yet another level of attainment before this dan can be elevated to a higher indestructible state. All of these will prolong physically lifespans of the practitioners.

Unfortunately all of these were tainted through the ages by conmen and priests trying to gain trust with the courts who obviously knew little about the knowledge. I believe it can also be traceable (though not in the standards of Wikipedia rules) that western alchemy started the same manner on similar if not identical intent of prolonging life, gold was but a translational error, it would be closer to the truth if an authoritative work can be reviewed on what might be the philosopher's stone, in its origin. Again none of these have been studied by any scholars. ACHKC (talk) 04:59, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Western alchemy[edit]

I think Chinese alchemy's similarities and differences from Western alchemy should be addressed within the text, for introductory readers. There aren't even any remarks that alchemy/spiritual gold has origins in other parts of the world.

SSBDelphiki (talk) 21:56, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Poor sourcing and non-NPOV[edit]

This article relies heavily on outdated and fringe viewpoints and sources. Notably, the reliance on Cooper is terrible. Especially in the lead of the article. That claim about Tao Chia and Tao Chiao is a fringe minority view in modern scholarship, regarded as a anachronistic misunderstanding by Western Orientalists. See Livia Kohn and Isabelle Robinet as noteworthy scholars with specific subject expertise. -- (talk) 04:37, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Clarify please[edit]

Does "Kolo nuts" refer to Kola nuts from Africa? Google search produces "Kola nuts". Manytexts (talk) 08:40, 23 October 2016 (UTC)