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Former good articleCinematic style of Abbas Kiarostami was one of the Media and drama good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
February 24, 2007Good article nomineeListed
January 24, 2014Good article reassessmentKept
July 29, 2017Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article


GA review

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First off, I'd like to note that, overall, I find the article deserving of GA status. However, it contains quite a few minor problems, which I'll discuss below. Some of these problems are unfortunately serious enough for me to place it on hold.

  1. The main issue: the "Fiction and non-fiction" and "Themes of life and death" sections contain many statements which may be construed as original research. You have several options here—rewrite some of it, provide more references or move some of the text to the talk page and think about it/mess with it a little.
  2. The article is very long. I'm mostly OK with it, but this will definitely raise objections during a Featured Article candidacy.

More minor problems:

  1. Please check all film names and make sure they conform to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles).
  2. Please add access dates to all web references—this is very important, particularly if you intend to go for FA.
  3. There are still some run-on sentences, such as the following, from "Individualism":
    According to film professors such as Jamsheed Akrami, Abbas Kiarostami unlike many other contemporary filmmakers has consistently attempted to redefine film and film medium by lowering its full definition and forcing audience's increased involvement. In recent years he has also progressively trimmed down the size of his films which Akrami believes reduces the film making experience from a collective endeavor to a purer, more basic form of artistic expression.[33]
  4. In "Poetry and photography", the paragraph on Riccardo Zipoli's paper is quite long, and, most importantly, lacks a citation to the work! :)
  5. It would be nice to make the text in "Secondary literature" small.
  6. A good round of copy editing would be a good idea before FAC.

It may not seem so from my comments, but this is an excellent article—so much so, it can get better :) Once these issues have been addressed, I'll have another look. Best wishes, Fvasconcellos 00:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK—after another round of edits by Sangak, I've re-read the article and found nearly all of the issues I raised to have been addressed. While there are still a few minor problems that a good copyedit would take care of, a few redundancies, etc., I believe this article does meet the GA criteria, and I am therefore passing it. Fvasconcellos 01:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find the name of this article in the list of Good articles. Therefor you shouldn't assess this article as GA before it would reach GA criteria.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 07:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Cinema kiarostami.jpg

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Discussion pertaining to non-free image(s) used in article

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A cleanup page has been created for WP:FILMS' spotlight articles. One element that is being checked in ensuring the quality of the articles is the non-free images. Currently, one or more non-free images being used in this article are under discussion to determine if they should be removed from the article for not complying with non-free and fair use requirements. Please comment at the corresponding section within the image cleanup listing. Before contributing the discussion, please first read WP:FILMNFI concerning non-free images. Ideally the discussions pertaining to the spotlight articles will be concluded by the end of June, so please comment soon to ensure there is clear consensus. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:32, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Individual reassessment

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GA Reassessment

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This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Cinematic style of Abbas Kiarostami/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.
  • Delisting This has been open since ~9 months now and appears to be abandoned by the original re assessor, so I am taking it over. The points below are valid and unaddressed so I am going to delist this now. Once the issues are addressed feel free to renominate it at WP:GAN. AIRcorn (talk) 23:12, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Hello. I think this article in its present state does not fulfill the GA criteria:

  • It fails the first criteria, in that it 1) does not have a comprehensive lead section; 2) has awkwardly written prose, eg.
  • Though Abbas Kiarostami has been compared to Satyajit Ray, Vittorio de Sica, Eric Rohmer, and Jacques Tati, his films exhibit a singular style, often employing techniques of his own invention (the so-called "Kiarostamian style"). – tautological
  • Nevertheless, he continued experimenting with new modes of filming, using different directorial methods. – unprofessional, as well as unprecise
  • Kiarostami's cinema offers a different definition of film. – different to who/what?
  • As Kiarostami quoted in relation to his individual style of minimalism: – ungrammatical
  • In recent years he has also progressively trimmed down the size of his films, which Akrami believes reduces the film making experience from a collective endeavor to a purer, more basic form of artistic expression. – vague: size as is in length? Budget? Narrative?
  • Kiarostami's complex sound-images and philosophical approach have caused frequent comparisons with mystical filmmakers such as Andrei Tarkovsky and Robert Bresson – again, unprecise language: what do phrases like sound-images and mystical filmmakers mean in this context?
  • Differing viewpoints have arisen in this debate. – otiose sentence
  • It fails the second criteria, in that it has entire paragraphs that are unsourced. There is also a problem with close paraphrasing:
Article: When the protagonist reaches his grave, a black screen evokes his symbolic death, but the finality of this ending is undermined by the video sequences that follow, which show the actor playing Mr. Badiei lighting a cigarette and the film crew resting. Again, life goes on, but in an off-screen elsewhere.
Source: Just as the suicidal protagonist Mr. Badiei reaches his grave in Taste of Cherry, a black screen occurs which evokes ‘a symbolic death’, the finality of this ending undermined by the video sequences that follow which show the actor playing Mr. Badiei lighting a cigarette and the film crew resting (124). Again, life goes on, but in an off-screen elsewhere.

I hope these issues may be seen to. Gertanis (talk) 21:28, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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