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A fact from Clare embroidery appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 October 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Queen Victoria supported Clare embroidery by purchasing dresses for her family?

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The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 talk 20:58, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Irish International Exhibtion catalogue

... that Clare embroidery featured in the Home Industries section of the Irish International Exhibition (pictured) in 1907? Source: pages 125 & 141 in the catalogue: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AXZBAQAAMAAJ&dq=%22clare+embroidery%22&pg=PA125&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22clare%20embroidery%22&f=false
- ALT1: ... that Queen Victoria purchased twelve smocked dresses for her grandchildren decorated with Clare embroidery? Source: "went on to establish another craft industry, Clare Embroidery ... examples of their work were purchased by both Queen Victoria and the princess of Wales " https://www.dib.ie/biography/obrien-arnold-forster-florence-mary-a6468 & the number of "12 smocks" is here: https://doi.org/10.1179/flk.1992.31.1.43
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jools Lebron
- Comment: Image is only relevant to ALT0

Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 103 past nominations.

Lajmmoore (talk) 11:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Lajmmoore, I'll take a look at this one. Initial comment is that the "Home Industries" bit from ALT0 doesn't appear in the article and that the source for ALT1 says "one of Queen Victoria’s grandchildren" - Dumelow (talk) 14:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found no issues with quality of sources or close paraphrasing; article was moved to mainspace on 26 September and exceeds minimum length; article is well written; a QPQ has been carried out. Looking at the image, presumably the catalogue was published in Dublin? In this case you will need a country-specific tag as well as the US one - Dumelow (talk) 14:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much Dumelow. Regarding ALT0 - i added the pavilions to the article, silly mistake of me to not double-check. With ALT1 with a closer look, I think there's a discrepancy in the sources. The Folk Life article says " Clare Embroidery made use of a range of bright, clear colours and was very popular for such items as children's dress and ladies' gardening aprons. Among the patrons of the industry was Queen Victoria, who ordered dresses decorated with Clare Embroidery for her grandchildren." but the Clare Champion says (as you point out), twelve dresses for one grandchild. How about:

ALT1a: ... that Queen Victoria supported Clare embroidery by purchasing dresses for her family? Source: "went on to establish another craft industry, Clare Embroidery ... examples of their work were purchased by both Queen Victoria and the princess of Wales " https://www.dib.ie/biography/obrien-arnold-forster-florence-mary-a6468 & the number of "12 smocks" is here: https://doi.org/10.1179/flk.1992.31.1.43

Let me know what you think Lajmmoore (talk) 08:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, ALT0 and ALT1a look good to me - Dumelow (talk) 12:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of the fabric?

I feel the article would be significantly more informative if there was a picture of the style of embroidery, rather than only a description. Bobbyshucks (talk) 12:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bobbyshucks I think so too, however neither Clare Museum, nor National Museum of Ireland would give permission for their images to be shared & I couldn't find a historic image to include. If you find one, please add it to Wikimedia Commons! Lajmmoore (talk) 12:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a surprisingly ossified approach by museums whose purpose I would assume is to spread knowledge, not restrict it. But there we are. Bobbyshucks (talk) 17:54, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]