Talk:Colombian parapolitics scandal

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This scandal I predict will continue further than 2007... no need to mention the years.. maybe 2006 -present.. Colombian parapolitical scandal (2006 - present) --((F3rn4nd0 ))(BLA BLA BLA) 05:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Articles I've been saving for use here[edit]

I keep loading up my Google Reader with articles for this article and keep not going through them to improve this article. I may soon, but maybe someone can jump in while I dawdle.

Of course there are more out there, but there doesn't seem to be much in the U.S. press still, other than passing mentions in reports of the Bush visit. Hwonder talk contribs 23:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am editor of http://colombiareports.com, an english speaking website about Colombia and am trying to be on top of the parapolitics scandal. I will freely link to my website if you people don't object. It's one of the only websites in english speaking of the scandal. I also suggest, because of the current amount of suspected senators, to drop the chronology and keep track of the amount of politicians currently involved. I know of one senator actually convicted. I will try to make a list of convictions.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Akwadraa (talk • contribs) 19 april 2008

I made a list in the spanish Wikipedia maybe could be useful for you: es:Anexo:Implicados en el escándalo de la parapolítica, see also the spanish article es:parapolítica. - Chien-A (talk) 03:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Convictions?[edit]

Have there been any convictions, and should there be mention of the parapolitics scandal impacting Bush's efforts for Colombia-US free-trade deal? Many, especially on the Democrats' side have come down against the trade deal based on the allegations of Colombia gov's links to paramilitaries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.52.215.67 (talk) 03:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Indictment[edit]

This article uses the word indictment to describe what happened to the accused political figures. Using this term has some communciative value because it quickly allows an audience familiar with US law to understand more or less what is going on. However, I don't think it is the best translation of the Spanish. Chepschep (talk) 01:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changes in the article =[edit]

I think we should make a single article about parapolitics, farcpolitics and yidispolitics. It could be called "Recent Colombian Corruption Scandals". --190.28.121.21 (talk) 01:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs to be updated. Please check the spanish version, maybe someone could translate the spanish article es:parapolítica. -Chien-A (talk) 05:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Colombian parapolitics scandal/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

==Assessment== I upgraded this to a "start" rating, as there's significantly more research here thanks to User:F3rn4nd0. I set importance at mid, though it might be of high importance for the project right now due to a.) the fact it's in the international news, and b.) the exposure that it's likely to get from "a" and the commensurate membership it could drive up. Just a thought Hwonder talk contribs 01:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Substituted at 01:10, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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Many pages referring to Colombia have inaccurate statements or with little veracity or with biased sources[edit]

The articles on Wikipedia, both in Spanish and in English, about Gustavo Petro, Álvaro Uribe Vélez, Iván Duque, the Farc, the m19, the parapolitics and the Wikiproyecto Colombia, have abundant false, doubtful, disputed statements or with biased sources or doubtful. For example these:

(Please SEMI-PROTECT them and correct them)

Gustavo Petro

Gustavo Petro

Álvaro Uribe Vélez

Álvaro Uribe

Iván Duque Márquez

Iván Duque

FARC

FARC

M19

M19

Parapolítica

Parapolitics

Protestas en Colombia 2021

2021 Colombian Protests

In summary, and in order not to repeat what some others have already said in the respective discussion pages, in the Wikipedia pages referring to Gustavo Petro and other pages and projects cited above, the pages are significantly biased towards Alvaro Uribe's opponents, even in pages that do not deal with or have nothing to do with Alvaro Uribe (such as Gustavo Petro's), with sources carefully selected to only support such opponents, often very doubtful, unobjective or biased, with phrases such as: "These revelations opened the doors of a strong social sanction to Uribe in Colombia by a sector of public opinion, and placed him in the sights of the ICC with the more than 250 processes in the Office of the Attorney General of the Nation that exist against him, and that, for different reasons, including corruption of the national powers", " Petro revealed that Uribe's presidential campaign in 2002 had received financial support from Enilse López, known such as La Gata, later convicted of ties to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, "etc., etc., etc. (I will not repeat).

Getting to the point of almost calling Uribe a "murderer", "genocidal", "terrorist", "corrupt", "paramilitary", "drug trafficker", "narco-paramilitary", BOTH ON THE PAGES IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH, even though sometimes not using those words, as he is presented as directly related to “human rights abuses” and he is also presented as solely responsible for the violence, corruption and deaths that occurred throughout the Colombian Armed Conflict.

Forgetting or omitting that: 1) Up to now none of the investigations that the Prosecutor's Office has made or is doing, has found any evidence that he has been personally involved and has not gone to criminal trial, except for that of these days of "manipulation of witnesses ”, which is ongoing without sentencing yet, 2) He did not have any public office or had anything to do with the Armed Conflict in the first two decades until 1981, and 3) They omit the massive human rights violations, deaths, drug trafficking, kidnappings and torture committed by guerrilla groups outside the law that, although pardoned, were admitted by such groups in the 1989 and 2016 Peace Accords.

President Ivan Duque is presented as if he were Alvaro Uribe's “puppet” and he is also held directly and personally responsible for all the human rights violations and violence that are taking place in Colombia.

Even in the pages on Alvaro Uribe it is mentioned that he has about 28 proceedings against in the Supreme Court of Justice of Colombia, taking as a source a journalistic note, but when the public database of the judicial branch of Colombia is accessed, on Consultation of processes, no such processes are observed. (In the Colombian journalistic media, false news is very frequent, towards or against all the parties involved)

More or less the same happens in the Wikipedia pages that make some reference to the 2021 PROTESTS in Colombia, very biased towards the opposition, BOTH ON THE PAGES IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH, where the state, the police and the army are presented as the ONLY human rights violators (when the objective reality is that more than ten policemen and military have already died in the protests, and tens of thousands of small merchants or shopkeepers have lost everything due to vandalism), echoing, or taking sources that echo, what seems to be a massive campaign of fake news and misinformation referring not only to the STRIKE but to previous times of the Armed Conflict and the presidency of Alvaro Uribe and Ivan Duque, and where many of these fake news and false videos (even from Amnesty International !!!, or Cnn or Dw, who would believe it) were actually taken in Venezuela but they are presented as if they had taken place in Colombia during the 2021 PROTESTS. This massive campaign of false news and videos and disinformation, is evidenced in serious sources such as:

This video is not of the Esmad breaking Windows during the 2021 protests, it is from Venezuela in 2017

The Fake News generated during the National Protests

The fake pictures, videos and news about the 2021 strikes

Fake News during the Strikes

Popular protest in Colombia: a war of false images on social networks or imagined reality on the streets

Ministry of Defense warns about digital terrorism because of the widespread distribution of fake news during the national protests

At least 23 fake news have been detected during the protests

Fake News in Colombia

Victor Muñoz DAPRE’s Director, denies decree ordering state of emergency

These iconic buildings in the world were not lit in support of Colombia during the protests

The explosion of unverified information circulating on the media during the protests

National Protests live: the ongoing protests on May 5th

Colombia Check independent verification site

False, Young man was not burned by Esmad in Floridablanca, Santander

Duque didn’t twit that if misinformation persists he’ll cancel Facebook

Video of Young man assaulted by the police in Floridablanca is real but he was not murdered

New video of policemen inhaling a presumed drug is not in Colombia but in Chile

The one in the picture is not the Esmad’s policeman reported for taking part in an assault

Police’s Ad offering reward for presumed vandals of the sacks of April 28th is false

Video of clashes between police and army is not of April 28th protests nor in Colombia

Colombia is not the only country to propose Tax Reform amidst the outbreak

Maria Fernanda Cabal did not say coffee is not to have breakfast or dinner but for visitors

Note that in Colombia it is very risky to take journalistic notes as a source, sometimes even from supposedly "serious" or "respectable" entities such as El Tiempo or Semana, and much less opinion notes, since, as can be seen in Colombia for more than ten years, impressive amounts of fake news have been circulating. However, those are most of the sources given for the Wikipedia pages mentioned at the beginning, even on the English Wikipedia pages.

If little of what is written in Colombia, with direct knowledge of the situation, is serious or objective, much less what is written on foreign media, including Amnesty International, CNN or DW. Not one news magazine has been left uncriticized for this in decades. Note also that credible or objective sources are so rare and occasional in Colombia, even in the supposedly “academic” sphere, that if strict criteria are used, almost nothing could be written about Colombia!

No, I am neither an uribista nor a leftist, I am a responsible and conscientious citizen who is trapped, as you surely know, in a country where everyone’s spirits are so heated and violence has been happening for so long, that it is no exaggeration to say that "half of Colombia wants to kill and hang the other half of Colombia." And that is clearly observed in the 2021 PROTESTS, where it can be said that “everyone hates everyone”.

It is assumed that Wikipedia, AND MORE IN ENGLISH, is a serious and ENCYCLOPEDIC website, for which it has no presentation that in such articles on Petro, Uribe, Duque, guerrillas, parapolitics or the Colombia Wikiproject, in Spanish and in ENGLISH, many statements are made, risky and controversial at best, implying that Uribe and Duque or the police and the army would be "murderers", "genocidal", "terrorists", "paramilitaries", "abusers of human rights ”,“ corrupt ”,“ corruption in the branches of power ”, etc., etc., etc.

Most people do not verify the facts or if what is said is true or not, and simply believe what Wikipedia says, and more being an encyclopedia.

Please, Librarians and Wikipedia editors:

Every time on one of your pages, whether in Spanish or in English, these types of statements are sneaked in, not very truthful and that could be seen as an incitement to hatred and violence, indeed half of Colombia wants to kill the other half, there are people dying!!

It is not an exaggeration to say that when a single one of these statements creeps in, or echoes a possibly false journalistic note, at least one person dies in Colombia!

Please, I beg you:

Semi-protect all those pages referring to Colombia, have the maximum possible responsibility with the wording and all statements and sources, and please proceed to correct all those pages urgently.

Thank you. Carlosverano92 (talk) 00:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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