Talk:Conchita Supervía

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Conchita Jewish?

If Conchita Supervia was buried in a Jewish cemetery, she was either born Jewish or converted. Does anyone have further information? kosboot (talk) 20:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't have any further information, but she presumably wasn't born Jewish if, as the Wikipedia article proclaims, she was given "baptismal names". Ondewelle (talk) 08:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First Spanish soprano to sing Carmen??

I find this very hard to believe. 1930 was 55 years after the Paris premiere. I can't think off the top of my head who might have been earlier than Supervia, but surely someone would have stepped up to the plate in those 55 years. Even in a provincial Spanish opera house. Our sources and references make no mention of it, so I'm adding a fact tag. -- JackofOz (talk) 04:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On second thoughts, there's one already there. That means someone other than me disbelieves it, and nobody's come forward since then to confirm it, so I'm removing the sentence entirely. -- JackofOz (talk) 05:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note that I changed "sing" to "record" when I recently updated the references to the article since I found that she did record Carmen in 1930, and that would be a more plausible assertation. I'm fine with the tidbit leaving though. Themfromspace (talk) 05:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'm ok with restoring it if you actually have a cite that says she was the first Spaniard to record it. But I'm curious about the source of the original claim that she was the first Spaniard to sing it. Cheers. -- JackofOz (talk) 07:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a source for that, which is why I put the {{fact}} tag behind the claim. Themfromspace (talk) 07:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again. I don’t want to labour this point, but I’m still a bit mystified. The original claim (I don’t know which editor made it, but that’s not important) was that she was the first Spanish soprano to sing Carmen. You discovered that that wasn’t supported by the references. But you discovered that she recorded Carmen in 1930 (true; I have some of those recordings). That fact could have gone in, no worries. So far, so good. What puzzles me is what you did next. You made the sentence say she was the first Spanish soprano to record Carmen, and at the same time put a fact tag on it. Creating a statement that you yourself are unsure of – and in this case one that was actually, well, made up by you – and instantly nullifying it by use of a fact tag, seems a somewhat unorthodox procedure, to say the least. It might have felt plausible, as you say, but WP doesn’t work by editors inserting what they feel are plausible statements, even if they admit there’s no evidence for them. Do you see my concern? Anyway, I didn’t want to make it a big issue, so I’ll quit now. Best. -- JackofOz (talk) 08:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I figured that's what the original editor was claiming when he made the assertion that she was the first to sing Carmen. I was a.) trying to clear up that editor's intention while b.) tagging that claim for references. The claim as it was first written was ludicrious, as you mentioned, so I thought that the original writed had to have had something else in mind. Themfromspace (talk) 10:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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