Talk:Construction

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Modern professional bias[edit]

The lead and the whole article is written like the only construction that exists is that which builds highways and city blocks in modern times, and is only caried out by huge managed, skilled, professional work force. It also has more emphasis on the staff management and building permits involed and slightly money involved in this career rather than on the "construction" itself. Also many times it has a sentence with a long list of unlinked job words in the middle that feel awkward, like "In the past, architects, interior designers, engineers, developers, construction managers, and general contractors were more likely to be entirely separate companies"

I'm not saying any information is incorrect, or shouldn't be here, but I think some info is repeated and could be trimmed, especially of weasel words and it could be sub section or at least in a more fleshed out article with better coverage of other areas. Has a tiny history section at the end, usually history should be near the top, shouldn't it? Article needs a lot more history from perhaps Stone, Bronze, Iron Age, through Stonehenge, the Pyramids through Medieval, Industrial to modern maybe near future. More on building materials and finding them and getting them there. More on methods of sticking things together like, cement, timber joints, bolts, welds? More on what does the work, man power, animals, use of machines like pulleys, wheels, cranes, diggers. More about foundations. More about why/what we build, homes, storage, infrastructure, military, protection, buisiness, to look pretty. Also even if most of the article is about modern professional builds, some mention of ancient construction, military construction, illegal construction, what happens if built without permission of everyone you need, bad construction, when construction is not sound and falls down, small individual novice DIY type construction. I constructed a garden wall and patio my self I'm sure I could stretch to a brick shed without needing a project manager, and supervised by a construction manager, design engineer, construction engineer or project architect.

It has slight point of views issues, with weasel words about what makes a good construction team, kind of sounds like a job interview, such as "far from being a single activity, large scale construction is a feat of human multitasking." twice, and "For the successful execution of a project, effective planning is essential" and "In the modern industrialized world, construction usually involves the translation of designs into reality". and "Design, finance, and legal aspects overlap and interrelate. The design must be not only structurally sound and appropriate for the use and location, but must also be financially possible to build, and legal to use".

"Kent Hansen (not linked, no description) pointed out that state departments of transportation (DOTs) usually use design build contracts as a way of getting projects done when states don't have the resources" that's nice who is Kent Hansen though.

There are only 7 sources on the whole article and many broad unsourced dubious statements.

Construction is one of Wikipedias vital 100 articles, I think it needs some care.

Carlwev (talk) 20:50, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Construction[edit]

I recently noticed that the people who manage the article Architecture presume it is only about civil architecture, not about all aspects of architecture. This article is the same, it presumes construction is building construction and ignores big construction topics which show up in Category:Construction such as ship, road, and coastal construction and smaller topics within building construction like demolition, restoration/preservation, home building, etc. Should I take the meanings of words literally? If so the article construction should be an overview of all aspects of the word. That is a lot to wrap one's mind around! Jim Derby (talk) 22:40, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

For example I found a list of construction injuries grouped by "subindustry" from the early 20th century U.S. Some of the terminology has changed but my point is that construction covers a lot more than building construction.

  • Wrecking, moving and razing of buildings
  • Excavating and foundation work, dredging, ditch-digging
  • Grading, highway work, clearing land and reclamation work
  • Railroad construction
  • Tunneling and subway construction
  • Sewers, cesspools, laying of pipes, etc
  • Canal construction
  • Well-drilling—water (oil drilling under oil industry)
  • Fence construction
  • Dam and levee construction, piers, drydocks—pile driving
  • Boat building of wood—small and large
  • Ship building and repairing—steel and iron
  • Marine wrecking and salvaging
  • Building construction, carpentry, masonry, concrete, brick, steel erecting and iron work on exterior of buildings
  • Elevator erection and installation, both freight and passenger 5
  • Plumbing and gas fitting
  • General electric equipment and installation
  • Marble and stone work—erection and setting stone
  • Paper-hanging, painting, plastering and decorating, both interior and exterior
  • Paving—all sidewalk and street work, asphalt and concrete
  • Roofing, tinsmithing, sheet metal contracting, etc.
  • Bill-posting and sign painting
  • Surveying and inspection work
  • Miscellaneous—not otherwise classified

Jim Derby (talk) 17:09, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Many of the issues you state (and are also stated in above sections) are a result of a poor merging of building construction into this article back in 2004. I'm going to try to take some stuff out. Building construction can probably be its own article if someone want to do the work. Look at this old version to see it before my edits. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 04:02, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Is it necessary to explain the difference Construction vs. Manufacturing?[edit]

The opening paragraph finds it necessary to explain the difference between Construction and Manufacturing. Is there anyone else who finds this mostly unnecessary? Note that the Manufacturing article doesn't see a need to explain the difference in the opposite direction.

Even if we would keep the difference there, I don't think the way the difference is defined is very good. Manufacturing is not necessarily done for mass production with an unknown purchaser, e.g. airplanes, industrial equipment, railcars are all typically made on order and only once. The key difference I think is that construction involves creating something that can not be moved afterwards. But adding that definition would be Original Research so I don't dare touch the article... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.71.13.2 (talk) 15:56, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

category[edit]

Construction (as defined here) is such a broad subject that it should be a category as well as an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward27821 (talkcontribs) 05:43, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Removed content[edit]

I have removed the below bullet list - should be converted to prose and add sources if reintroduced.

Construction phases[edit]

  • Vision/fantasy/idea – a concept never intended to be built, may be an aesthetic or structural design exercise
  • Proposed – a building concept that is under review by the building owner and by government
  • Approved – a building concept that will be constructed in the near future. If the proposed building is not approved then the proposal may be amended and resubmitted, or it may be deferred or cancelled.
  • Design – the specification of what is to be built in sufficient detail to be used as the basis as a contract between the owner and a contractor
  • Procurement – the selection of the contractor or contractors to carry out the construction. This may be by competitive tendering.
  • Diversions – before construction can start any services on the site which must be kept operational to serve other adjacent sites must be diverted so they run outside the footprint of the new building. This can include drainage, water and gas piped services and power and communication cables.
  • Under-construction – a fully designed building currently being built
  • Ground works – construction work below ground level including the construction of basements and foundations
  • Topped-out – a fully designed building where construction has reached the highest point of the building
  • Fitting out – installation of the decorative, non-structural elements once the building main structure is complete. This includes painting, ceilings, light fittings etc.
  • Commissioning or setting to work – Once the building Mechanical, electrical, plumbing, communications, and building control systems are installed they then need to be tested and adjusted so they deliver the required performance. In modern buildings this can take some time during which little seems to be going on but if this is not done properly then these systems will not deliver their design performance leading to hot and cold spots, spurious alarms, higher energy bills, and systems failing during emergencies
  • Substantial Completion / Beneficial Occupancy – a point when the work is sufficiently complete so that the Owner can occupy (Items noted during inspection 'punch list' or 'snag list' may still be corrected)
  • Complete/built – a fully designed building that has been fully built, excluding future expansions (punch list items all completed)
  • Building Operation – All those day-to-day activities need to ensure the building can be used. In simple buildings this means little more than cleaning but in more complicated buildings this is a large scale operation employing a large team of staff. If they do their job right then you hardly notice them.
  • Maintenance – works to ensure the building continues to operate in accordance with its design, including replacing elements which are approaching the end of their useful life
  • Repair – replacing building elements which have been damaged or which have failed to restore the building to its as-built state
  • Renovation – modification to the building. This can be minor modifications that are carried out while the building is occupied or major works where only the structural elements are kept and the building is out of use for years
  • Demolition – destruction of the building which may include the salvage of some elements for reuse elsewhere.

Shaded0 (talk) 03:21, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

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