Talk:County colours (Gaelic games)

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I've refactored this out of List of Irish flags as I don't think the formats are standardised, so it's misleading to list them with flags of well-defined layout.

Some things that need to be done:

1. the Kilkenny flag has the wrong "amber" shade.
2. should we include actual kits figures, like the County GAA articles, using the Template:Football kit?
3. Maybe something about Northern Ireland?
4. Pictures would definitely help. Pity the All-Irelands are just over. jnestorius^(talk) 01:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

1. I dont think the kits should be included
2. What about northern ireland ?
3. Try fliker for pictures

(Gnevin 14:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC))

File:Corkflags.jpg

Cork Fans flying various red-and-white flags

• Flickr pics are copyright.
• Northern Ireland, well it's worth mentioning the average North Down yachting unionist has no idea what the Down county colours are.
• Kits: well, the icons are a bit too big for here, but it would add some more info. jnestorius^(talk) 01:54, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Some pictures are cc-by-2.0, you just need to do a search for cc images

I dont see the point in listing who doesnt know what these are , if theirs is a legitiment reason for ni content add it but not just for the sake of unionist dont know about them (Gnevin 12:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC))

(Gnevin 12:15, 3 October 2006 (UTC))

Thanks for those. I've done made them bigger and taken out the Cork flags picture, purely because there's not enough text yet to fit three pictures. jnestorius^(talk) 23:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Exclusively GAA?

The belief that these county colours, or rather flags, are exclusively GAA is erroneous at best (that is the way they are presented here by both the title and text of the article). See for instance[1][2]. They are more than simply GAA symbols, just in the way the Irish tricolour represents more than simply the state, or part of it. Djegan 13:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I dont think this artical claims to be exclusively GAA as seen

While each county council has a coat of arms, there are no official county flags. Flags with the GAA county colours serve as ersatz county flags

Then in that case shall we delink from the GAA county boards to the county and also move the article to something such as County colours of Ireland without any GAA affliation in the title? Djegan 14:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I dont think that would be a good idea , i mean gaa colours are the defaco county colours (Gnevin 14:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC))

How can they be defaco when they are legal for neither gaa or county? Djegan 15:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Defaco in that it's the colours that dublin corperation and others fly around the city/country (Gnevin 15:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC))

What i would suggest i that we make this a gaa only removing references to non gaa crests etc (Gnevin 15:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC))

Dublin colours

The current 'sky blue' colour being used for Dublin's colours is too dark by several shades, I think. Bastun 15:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Have changed it let us know if it's still to dark (Gnevin 15:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC))

Yep - still looks too dark. If you look at the blue of the 'sea' in the Dublin GAA crest, that's the correct colour. Bastun 16:04, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

OK used the eye dropper to select the colour , is better now imo (Gnevin 16:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC))

That's spot on now :-) Bastun 18:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Date

What is this the purpose of this field ? (Gnevin 15:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC))

Whoops. It was relevant on List of Irish flags from which this was extracted. I've deleted the column here. jnestorius^(talk) 01:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Provicinal Colours

Should we add the colours of leinster and others (Gnevin 22:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC))

Why not? New York, Warwickshire, all the county boards too. jnestorius^(talk) 23:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Armagh

The Armagh flag looks a bit too like the Antrim one. Think it needs to be a bit more orange (no offence intended!). Will use the colours from their jersey. Afn 11:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually the collours are right, it's Internet Explorer thats wrong. Afn 13:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Move

I suggest moving to County colours of the Gaelic Athletic Association to disambig gaa in title or County colours of the GAA (Gnevin 22:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC))

I don't see a need for dab. GAA currently redirects to Gaelic Athletic Association; I've only just now created GAA (disambiguation) and neither alternative is likely to be confusable in this context. Many articles within Category:Gaelic Athletic Association including most of Category:Gaelic Sport Governing Bodies use "GAA". If you think County colours of the GAA reads better than GAA county colours, fair enough, change it; I don't care either way. jnestorius^(talk) 15:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Improvement

I was asked to give some tips on improvement. I am not very familiar with this subject, but I'll give it a go.

• References in the form of in-line citations should be added (Wikipedia:Citing sources)
• Some more on the history
  • When did the custom start?
  • Did it play a role during the independence and civil wars (wasn't hurling forbidden during the union)?
• Some more on the use of the flag
  • As county flag (are the flags used officially or by people not interested in GAA?)
• The list of colours could also contain the year of first use.

Hope this helped :) Inge 11:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Galway

Galway's colours are maroon and white, not red and white as the flag shows. Jvlm.123 15:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The flag appear maroon to me (Gnevin 17:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC))

GAA county colours and flags

I've moved this back to "Talk:GAA county colours". I think including "flags" in the title is misleading, since there are no standardised official flags. The text makes this clear. jnestorius^(talk) 18:05, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Why should this article have the Category:Counties of Ireland. Apart from a misty-eyed, emotional attachment to an imaged county utopia that existed between 1884 and 1898, what relevance has it got to do with the modern counties of Ireland? The GAA has no flag or team for Fingal or North Tipp. In which county of Ireland would I find New York or London? Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:30, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Category:Counties of Ireland is not for the 29 modern administrative counties of the Republic of Ireland. There is a Category:Counties of the Republic of Ireland, which is closer to that, but in any case there is no requirement for articles' mapping to categories to be so cut-and-dried as your question seems to assume. List of U.S. state abbreviations and many similar pages also list DC and territories which are not states; would you remove them from the state-based categories?

There is an argument for moving this article to the subcategory Category:Sport in Ireland by county, though I think the colours have acquired a broader significance through their co-option by many county councils. BTW, the GAA does in fact have a hurling team for Fingal, whose colours are listed. jnestorius^(talk) 06:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that those arguments stack up. Firstly, Fingal is not a GAA County. Secondly, I would actually exclude DC from that category, or rather I would re-name the category to "List of abbreviations of U.S. states and territories". Thirdly it takes only one exception to the rule to destroy the rule, which is exactly what happens when you attempt to shoehorn a GAA County like New York into an administrative county categorisation. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

OK, I've moved this to Category:Gaelic games by county. Talk on sub and super categories of that at Category talk:Gaelic games by county#Categorisation. jnestorius^(talk) 15:58, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Dublin Castle courtyard

Just noticed this: Written Answers - County Flags Dáil debates Wednesday, 14 September 2011; Vol.740 No.1 p.113:

• Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin asked the Minister for Finance (Michael Noonan) if his attention has been drawn to the fact that in the Upper Yard, Dublin Castle, the display of flags with county colours includes 26 and not 32 counties; if he will ask the Office of Public Works to rectify this and to ensure that all 32 flags are included. [24052/11]
• Minister of State at the Department of Finance (Deputy Brian Hayes): The number of flags displayed at any one time in the Upper Courtyard of Dublin Castle is dictated by the number of flagpoles available. At present 28 flagpoles are available representing the members of the EU and the EU flag which are flown during the EU Presidency. The flags of the 32 counties are currently flown in rotation. It is not planned to erect any further flagpoles at present.

There are some (not very good) photos of the flags in question in this blog post. A similar (but better) photo would enhance this article. The flags seem to be the newer style with the county crest in the centre. jnestorius^(talk) 18:33, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Offaly Colours

The article lists the Offaly colours as green, white, and gold. I'm almost certain that this is wrong, and that the actual colours of Offaly are green, white, and yellow. (Note: The flag of Ireland itself is green, white, and orange, but is often inaccurately described as green, white, and gold. Perhaps some confusion is creeping in?) TRiG (talk) 21:26, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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Clarification on image

Jnestorius, would you be able to clarify what the image used is of? The caption says "Fans of Tyrone (red and white) and Meath (green and yellow) on Hill 16 in Croke Park watching the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship 2007 semifinal." but the image description says it was taken at the quarter-finals, so the teams would have been Sligo, Cork, Tyrone and Meath. Regards, Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:29, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks. The image metadata says 2007-08-04 which is the date of the quarterfinal. I gues I just made a thinko adding the caption. I think clarity is better than pernickety completeness and nearly all the red-and-white are Tyrone so I would not bother mention the couple of Cork fans in the shot. 15:38, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for that - and long may you enjoy such good eyesight! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:33, 13 May 2019 (UTC)