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High-profile crimes include...

The section which lists high-profile crimes has no clear inclusion criteria, and some of the crimes (especially recent ones) might have been sensational, but received only short-lived attention. I propose that only entries that have standalone articles, or at least substantial sections in other articles, about the crime, the victim, or the perpetrator should be included. pburka (talk) 19:21, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done Since there have been no objections, I've gone ahead and removed many non-notable crimes from the list. pburka (talk) 20:03, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I know I'm late, but in my own objections, the standards you went by to erase many of the crimes are both unfair and contradictory. Many significant crimes formerly listed after your and other changes are significant in regards to their relation to each other, be it the crimes themselves or the consequences. For example, you erased pages with significant political attention even within the city alone, showed history of corruption, showed attacks on law enforcement, and saw much social reaction, from safety concerns to representation of marginalized populations. You went against your own rules, even! You wiped entries obviously added with pages and sections linked! And for what?! Since I'm here, would you like to discuss this further? I'm still new, I don't know how to put in a template with your username so the code sends you an alert of the reply. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 00:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which ones specifically do you think should be reinstated? pburka (talk) 01:37, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All of them for now. You can't simply erase major amounts of material without looking at them on a case-by-case basis. Many of them has significant secondary coverage, including some having their own standalone Wikipedia pages. John Yunshire (talk) 10:41, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which ones specifically do you think shouldn't have been removed? pburka (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think about 80% of them should be removed. There will be a large number of crimes in a very large city. What matters is the stats and trends, not individual, sensational crimes. O3000, Ret. (talk) 18:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Objective3000 I agree with you, unfortunately, this article has almost none of that information included in the article. Stevenmitchell (talk) 22:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anecdotes?

Seems to me like far too many anecdotes of marginal historical importance, and nowhere near enough statistics to get an in-depth understanding. I'm not sure how that decision is made, or who makes it.

What a Useless Anecdotal Mess

This article is totally useless, other than for gossip. it's entirely anecdotal, and as the unsigned comment above/below me notes, it barely has any statistics. It's almost entirely comprised of anecdotes that completely miss the extent of the violence of the 1980s and early to mid 1990s (NYC's most statistically violent period), or the 1970s when NYC had a declining population due to the recklessness. Adding the murder, rape, robbery and assault totals would establish a context for encyclopedic users to reference the extent of the violence in comparison to now. On the other hand, the arbitrary anecdotal references, give this article a tabloid appearance that is almost meaningless as far as being an encyclopedic source. This article really needs a wholesale rewrite to have any value for its inclusion in an encyclopaedia. I came here to obtain the apex year for murders in NYC (93 or 94 if I remember correctly), and am walking away empty-handed. I guess I'll have to use another source other than Wikipedia, because this article, disappointingly, has a very limited value, as does Google's AI Search. Stevenmitchell (talk) 22:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While your criticism about the high-profile crimes section may be valid, the information you're looking for is right there in the article, and clearly visible in the table of contents: [[1]]. Peak was 1990, FYI. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 22:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information and pointing it out to me. I didn't have the patience to comb through it and was mesmerized by the onslaught of anecdotes in list format. I never saw a Table of Contents, and after checking it again, still can't find one. Stevenmitchell (talk) 23:19, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]