Talk:Desire (U2 song)

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Stooges' 1969

The rhythm of desire is clearly similar to "1969", a song by The Stooges from their album The Stooges (album). Anyone hearing the song will recognize this. According to this site, The Edge has admitted the influence. However, that site also says that the rhythm is a Bo Diddley beat. Which one is the original inspiration? Nothing is said about it in the Desire article... --Pie.er 10:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

68.34.110.196 (talk) 00:46, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Both The Stooges' song and "Desire" are based around the Bo Diddley beat, as are dozens of other songs, including "I Want Candy" and George Michael's "Faith." To say that "Desire" is based on "1969" is incorrect. I'd also add that the song's beat is one of the more notable and memorable things about it -- much more so than how it placed on the Dutch charts, which is contained elsewhere on the page.[reply]

WP:V, WP:RS; there is a reliable source for the "1969" claim. You need to provide another for the 'Bo Diddly beat' if you wish for it to be changed. Melicans (talk, contributions) 00:52, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

68.34.110.196 (talk) 01:08, 3 May 2011 (UTC) What is the source -- an anonymous comment on songfacts.com or a book that didn't have involvement from the band? The Bo Diddley beat, which predates both songs, is clearly the beat behind both songs. Here's a list [1] of songs that use it from the New York Times on the occasion of Bo Diddley's death. No way U2 incorporated it without knowing the origin, especially for an album featuring BB King and styled as a tribute to American blues.[reply]

That it is "clearly the beat behind both songs" is nothing more than your opinion; and original research is not permitted on Wikipedia. Either back your claim up with a citation to a reliable source in the text you add, or leave it be; removing sourced information and adding unsubstantiated claims is nothing more than vandalism. Melicans (talk, contributions) 21:25, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At the time, I read in several sources band members said that it is more influenced by 1969 rather than to the Bo Diddley beat which many people were saying. They actually snippeted it a few times in Lovetown concerts. No, I no longer have those late-1980s magazine and newspaper clippings as I hardn't heard of wikipedia or desktop scanners back then. :-) --Merbabu (talk) 22:27, 3 May 2011 (UTC) 68.34.110.196[reply]

68.34.110.196 (talk) 04:06, 4 May 2011 (UTC) I've made a compromise edit that is properly sourced and should be left alone, but for the record, I haven't seen anything definitive linked on the page that says "Desire" was more influenced by "1969." I see an anonymous comment on songfacts.com and news clippings someone thinks they remember once. I linked to a New York Times article that clearly lists songs that interpolate the Bo Diddley beat. This is not an unsubstantiated claim or vandalism, but thanks for the links anyway. Maybe the guitar work or some other element of "Desire" was influenced by "1969," but the beat is 100%, no doubt about it, clear as day, a takeoff on the Bo Diddley beat. It's indisputable musicology and math: "bomp-ba-domp-ba-domp, ba-domp-domp" is the Bo Diddley beat. If Bono was here he'd say the same thing. Please link me your reliable source.[reply]

[2] [3] [4] --Merbabu (talk) 09:25, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Live lyric change - noteworthy?

Bono sings "and the fever when I'm inside her" live, whereas on the album version he sings "and the fever ... getting higher". Noteworthy? It's been done on several shows. --Teancum (talk) 15:50, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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