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Did you know... that Indian violin player Dwaram Durga Prasad Rao, a recipient of India's highest award for the performing arts, was once an apprentice to a painter?

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The result was: promoted by Aoidh (talk) 20:20, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Indian violinist Dwaram Durga Prasad Rao held an apprenticeship at painter Antyakula Pydiraju? Source: The Hans India
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Allan (magazine)
- Comment: I'm not sure if the grammar surrounding "apprenticeship" is correct. If not, please correct it.

Moved to mainspace by DaxServer (talk). Self-nominated at 20:51, 8 January 2023 (UTC).[reply]

Article meets DYK requirements and is of appropriate length. It is free from close paraphrasing. Still waiting on QPQ. Can some of the lede information be duplicated in the article body? WP:LEADCITE discourages references in lede sections unless absolutely necessary. In addition, can a different hook be proposed here? It doesn't seem to meet the DYK criterion of needing to intrigue people with no specialist knowledge, as the significance of the hook is not evident if people are unfamiliar with Pydiraju (who I should note does not have a Wikipedia article, and per DYK common practice should probably not have been mentioned in the hook by name anyway). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:01, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Narutolovehinata5 I've moved the citations to be body where possible. Here's one alt
ALT1 ... that Indian violin player Dwaram Durga Prasad Rao held an apprenticeship at a painter?

I thought of "apprenticeship in the field of painting" but the source says "apprenticeship at painter", I think it would be SYNTH. Let me know what you think of it. It seems I probably won't have the time slot that I can commit to for a QPQ review until Thursday, but I'll try to do it. Once done, I'll ping you again — DaxServer (t · m · c) 18:24, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mean to say "apprenticeship with a painter"? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think "...Rao was an apprentice to a painter" could be better wording? From source I understand that he worked/learned something from the painter. TBH, I've never used the words apprentice and apprenticeship and don't know the correct grammatical structure — DaxServer (t · m · c) 09:11, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That might work. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:43, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Great, here is the hook:

ALT2 ... that Indian violin player Dwaram Durga Prasad Rao was an apprentice to a painter?

ALT3 ... that Indian violin player Dwaram Durga Prasad Rao, recipient of India's highest award for performing arts, was an apprentice to a painter?

Thanks for the review — DaxServer (t · m · c) 07:52, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the late response, I'm fine with either hook, although considering the apprenticeship was apparently brief, I suppose that could be clarified in the hooks. Just one last clarification: the lede says "He received Sangeet Natak Akademi Award". Is this standard Indian English usage, or should it be "He received the Sangeet Natak Akademi Award"? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:20, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. No worries. I don't know if the the is a standard in en-IN, I'm juggling with too many languages and dialects of English :/ But, I've added the the per your suggestion :) Here are the alts with the brief clarity:

ALT2a ... that Indian violin player Dwaram Durga Prasad Rao was an apprentice to a painter for a brief period?
ALT3a ... that Indian violin player Dwaram Durga Prasad Rao, recipient of India's highest award for performing arts, was an apprentice to a painter for a brief period?

Feel free to change their grammar if you'd like to — DaxServer (t · m · c) 10:30, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just checked the source and it said that he was an apprentice for "some time", it didn't say a "brief period". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:27, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2b ... that Indian violin player Dwaram Durga Prasad Rao was once an apprentice to a painter?
ALT3b ... that Indian violin player Dwaram Durga Prasad Rao, recipient of India's highest award for performing arts, was once an apprentice to a painter?

Fair enough, I've modified the wording to reflect it — DaxServer (t · m · c) 13:46, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Although longer, I have a slight preference for ALT3b since it adds context as to why this person is important. I'm not really sure though if apprentice needs to be linked though. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:02, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]