From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject Biography (Rated C-class)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
WikiProject Ireland (Rated C-class, High-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Ireland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Ireland on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 High  This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
Note icon
This article has been marked as needing an infobox.
WikiProject Middle Ages (Rated B-class)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Middle Ages, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Middle Ages on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale.
 ???  This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

What are those bots up to here?[edit]

Why is this considered within scope of WP:Biography, and why is it rated a "stub" (33kb of sourced text). Something seem to be wrong here. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 23:24, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Definitely not a stub, but it was in Oct 2007 when the WP IRELAND assessor stopped by. Xenobot recently inherited the stub rating. You should re-assess it and set the proper rating, removing the auto=inherit as you do so. As for why it is under WP:Bio, I suppose because it's for a dynasty? Not sure... –xenotalk 00:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining, I changed the class to "C" which also should be in accordance with what Din Draithou writes below - substantial article with some issues still pending. Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 15:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Article condition[edit]

I wrote most of this article when I was relatively new to the subject, and also relatively new to Wikipedia. Looking at it now, much needs to be rewritten, and most of the material on the allied royals septs can removed, since they have their own articles now. Furthermore, I was lazy about page numbers and now regret it. At least the overall article layout is good enough. DinDraithou (talk) 03:04, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The article has certainly been improved a lot since I last had a look at it (in May 2007 when I wrote a Norwegian version), you've done a lot of good work here DinDraithou. But as you say, some issues remain. (Re)moving the material on the allied septs seem a good idea, I also think the History section should either be removed - or written. As it is it's just a lot of headlines followed by links and suggested literature. If someone decides to actually write this section those links are certainly helpful though, if removed I would suggest a cut&paste to this page for future reference. I'd also like to add that I think the growing influence of Osraige and Cerball mac Dúnlainge following Feidlimids death might be worth mentioning - this seem to be one of several factors in Eoganchtas downfall from a serious rival to Ui Neill to being defeated by the Dal gCais some 100+ years later. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 15:33, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I think a section for Ossory is an excellent idea, because it was with the loss of this kingdom that the Corcu Loígde began to fall in the early 7th century, and until then no Eóganacht was a true king of Munster. This is generally assumed to be the way the Uí Néill brilliantly or accidentally shifted Munster from a Dáirine dominated military powerhouse into an initially semi-dependent Eóganachta governed province, without ever having to risk a dangerous series of major confrontations with the Corcu Loígde. Ossory appears to have had quite the disrupting effect on the functioning of two consecutive Munster over-kingdoms, although I know rather less about the period of Cerball mac Dúnlainge and hope you will write about that. This will help us focus the article on the approximately two and half centuries of Cashel's domination of Munster, during which most of our sources originate.
I'll leave what to do with the History section up to you and others, but we should definitely expand Kingdom of Desmond. We also need to expand Iarmuman so we can go on about the Kings of the Picts among other matters there. For now I'll begin on removing a lot of the material on our enigmatic allied septs since they had nothing to do with Cashel. DinDraithou (talk) 16:37, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Fraudulant author[edit]

An editor deleted large sections of text because of his belief that "author of that material appears to be the fraud XXX".

  1. Should this not have been debated before deleting?
  2. Is this original research by the editor in unmasking frauds?
  3. Even if the author was a fraud, would that render all the material false? Even frauds sometimes write the truth. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:56, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
We should be friends, but you're defending a totally bad source. It's not your fault at all though, since we don't really know each other. For material on the web concerning Terence Francis MacCarthy, first read Chief of the Name, then see here, here, here, and you might also find this fun too. Also here. DinDraithou (talk) 23:56, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
It appears that you have issues with Terence Francis MacCarthy. I'd rather not get drawn into that nasty cat fight. I too would like to be friends. But I must differ with you when you say that I have defended a "totally bad source". I've done no such thing; I merely used the source, taking it at face value. Even then, I referenced the references that that source used. If you regard those references and sources as equally bad, then please explain, otherwise their contributions should be allowed to stand. Likewise, you have not mentioned which parts of the expunged section was not factually correct. Regarless of the source, if it's generally accepted as true then it should remain. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Gaulish associations or origins[edit]

This article really should go into the Gaulish god Segomo turning up their pedigree as Nia Segamain. I no longer have many of my sources and cannot do it so easily now, although I did it for the Déisi when I had them. It is also argued they were simply Gaels returning from raiding expeditions and other business, where they might have picked up this and that. Without that material in front me to carefully cite I cannot do what this article needs. Nora lives (talk) 03:36, 5 August 2011 (UTC)