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Tone[edit]

Article has a great deal of good information, but tone falls short of Wikipedia " formal, impersonal, and dispassionate" standards. I will endeavor to make some substantive edits soon. Acciavatti (talk) 17:56, 27 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Making sense of overlapping articles[edit]

There is a significant articles on very similar material on wikipedia, many of them with issues tone, sourcing, and problems with length. It looks to me like a great deal of these could be merged or deleted. On the other hand, a couple of these probably do deserve sepearte treatments. Thoughts?

Should keep:

Clarify scope/merge?

Possibly remove:

  • Cyberocracy - strikes me as WP:OR, or possibly WP:Fancruft from some cyberpunk fiction. delete? Mostly the work of one academic, but I was able to find a few sources for it and a clear definition. This is futurology, not contemporary goverment.
  • Online deliberation - is there anything here but buzzwords? delete? clock In progress
  • Collaborative governance - Not much content behind buzzwords here. I nominated this for deletion. clock In progress

Forbes72 (talk) 04:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Update: added a few more I found. Forbes72 (talk) 22:50, 12 December 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Shift from republic to democracy[edit]

There is a note on the main page that the article needs the attentions of a political scientist. It so happens I have a BA in Poli Sci from UCLA so here's my contribution.

The first thing a political scientist might want to clarify is that currently, the world's so called democracies are actually republics. For instance the US constitution provides for government by elected representatives. Given the literally horse and buggy communication arrangements at the time, this was the only feasible way to try and express the popular will.

The internet changes the logistics radically enough so that we could contemplate a change from the form of a republic to the substance of a democracy, by putting more and more issues to a popular vote. JPLeonard (talk) 04:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Adult Citizens Human Rights[edit]

It looks like there are those of us who are more likely to hold back on the true ability of E-democracy then there should be. There is no way to keep a child with basic language skills from adding a potentially important word too any law. E-democracy is built on communication, not votes. As they are votes limit us too 2 candidates. Votes are some of the reason both candidates are not lovable by all or most of us. For some stupid reason you can only vote for one person when it's easy with computers to vote with logic such as “I vote for myself andor all living and artificial creatures not Donald Trump and not Hillary Clinton”, for example. See, I should be allowed to say what I want because I am running for President.

It should also make us wonder why Human Rights starts with a 6 year old quote from Hillary Clinton that does not mention E-democracy but instead speaks of just “The freedom to connect”. Her quote looks more like she still wants those in governments to stay where they are, and as near as I can figure, be above the law. Just look recently as the FBI said Hillary Clinton should not face criminal charges but that she was “extremely careless” in handling classified information. Robert Cattanach, a former federal prosecutor, said it was difficult to reconcile why Clinton's “extremely careless” conduct did not trigger a provision for “gross negligence”, and said “That's a hard one to pass the smell test on.”

That does not make sense as far as E-democracy can and I'd say should go. I think for the benefit of E-democracy we should put another person and a more recent quote for under Human Rights.

But still, all life on this planet has the right to govern. All life on the Internet should be the minimum of those who should govern. This should not be a political advertisement for a quote that really doesn't mention E-democracy from a person who is headed for something that is against E-democracy, a Me-republic.

Do we forget about emerging technologies? There are many reasons to believe that computers are going to not just out perform us as they already do, but out do us as we think with greater theories of emotion. Theories of emotions are still advancing. It is rather unbelievable that we won't have computers that both compute and remember on the same scale and ability as a human being thinks. Memristor look pretty awesome being a memory-transistor. Are we not going to prevent such a computer from adding to what seems is greater than the human thing to do?

On top of that it is becoming even more strange that there are no aliens out there. I really don't think that if there were aliens taking their spaceship around here that we would deny them access to a government that is supposed to be “of and by the thinkers”. We already have 7 conservatively estimated on the list of potentially habitable exoplanets. With the Milky Way at 100 to 400 billion stars and the 200 billion galaxies in just the Observable Universe, you must be very strange to think that this must be an empty universe of a sextillion planet earths, especially after we where smacked by Theia (planet) about 4.3 billion years ago that made us a Moon and took millions of years for us to make a solid rocky surface with water. It was only about 200 to 500 million years before Abiogenesis took place and we had life. I can not believe that you would love to have a single person allowed to be of greatest power when there is the Powers of Ten (film) to trip on.

If you find yourself being an Adult Human, I ask you in this Universe that is God that is THE ALL, ah, you know, that you find it very true for your own sake that “All life is sacred” as religions and as Einstein basically said; because if you don't believe that a cow is sacred then you would have no right to say that you are not edible.

See. Think. Did you notice how every sense has random? Random is the beginning. Order comes from Random. So if you have anything to say to me here. Michael Francis Lidman (talk) 15:52, 6 July 2016 (EDT). Because this is a very important subject.

Doesn't matter, don't care, cite professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources for your claims. This is not a discussion forum and we do not use original research. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:09, 18 August 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"This policy of no original research does not apply to talk pages and..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fairthomas (talkcontribs) 12:18, 24 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Change name to formal[edit]

Formal name for this topic would be something like Democracy and the Internet or Democracy in the Internet age -Inowen (talk) 04:02, 21 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

re: "An E-democracy process has been recently proposed in a scientific article"[edit]

This article links to an article about soil. It has nothing to do with Democracy. myclob (talk) 03:47, 5 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

General evaluation of article[edit]

Overall I think the article is very comprehensive and clearly written. Every section of the content is relevant to the topic, provided more details, and was concise.

However tone wise, I think the article leans towards promoting e-democracy and the positive side of e-democracy, whereas possible negative effects are underrepresented. I believe the tone can be more neutral to adhere to Wikipedia's standards, and perhaps alternative point of views can also be represented under the "Opposition" section. For sources, there were also some links that did not work. For example, citation [85] led to "404 Page not found", and citation [97] led to "story no longer available". This may make it hard for others to check the source and authenticate or dive deeper into the information. H.Susanna (talk) 19:23, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Worldviews[edit]

Need to add a worldwide view of the subject and improve the section that deals only with the United States and it doesn't represent the worldwide perspective. This one hasn't been fixed since August 2017.

The bibliographies in mind are:

Prins, C., et al. Digital Democracy in a Globalized World. Edward Elgar Publishing, 2017. EBSCOhost, search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=nlebk&AN=1606855&site=ehost-live.


MLA Hindman, Matthew. The Myth of Digital Democracy. Princeton University Press, 2008. Project MUSE muse.jhu.edu/book/61871.

Candreaangulo (talk) 04:27, 30 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This article contains false information[edit]

There is multiple misleading suggestions in this article with no reference points at all. The author is just making bold claims without any support. As someone who has a degree in political science, has lived in a democratic country their whole lives, and understands the value of referencing, I do not appreciate authors putting out opinions without factual basis. And then editing when there is an actual factual basis to oppose their opinion. That seriously limits the discourse and is counter to the content of the article itself. Ie.

        • That's not necessarily true, democracy can also be veiled to control language and how information is released so that facts, ideas and conversations that oppose that language are removed or demonized.*** There are other parallels in the social design in the early days of the internet, such as the strongly libertarian support for free speech, the sharing culture that permeated nearly all aspects of Internet use, and the outright prohibition on commercial use by the National Science Foundation. Another example is the unmediated mass communication on the internet, such as through newsgroups, chat rooms, and MUDs. This communication ignored the boundaries established with broadcast media, such as newspapers or radio, and with one-to-one media, such as letters or landline telephones. *** Whoever wrote this is naïve at best. The early days of the internet was the wild west. There was more global communication but most people were either creating websites about crystal energy and conspiracies or teens showing off what bands they like on teentopia. Trying to comprehend what the internet would become in its early stages is like trying to wrangle cats.*** 2607:FEA8:4FDF:B7F0:DDD1:70BA:60A4:F396 (talk) 03:35, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]