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Gold rush[edit]

Removed this paragraph from another article; it seems to belong here:

California's connection to the Australian goldfields[edit]

- Many Australians came to California in search of gold in 1849. One such 'forty-niner', Edward Hargraves is the first one to discover the gold in NSW 1n 1823, but the news didn't came out because the government stoped him.

He was so "very forcible impressed" by the similarity of New South Wales with California, that he wrote, in March 1850, to a friend in Sydney, saying he was returning to look for gold. Arriving in Australia, Hargraves had knowledge of the Californian method of panning and cradle rocking. By May 1851, he discovered payable gold in New South Wales. By the end of 1851, the Australian great gold-rushes were underway in Victoria and New South Wales. The Australian gold discoveries were described in the Times as "We have a California of our own". Many of California's 'forty-niners' rushed to Australia's goldfields. Some Americans like Freeman Cobb of Cobb & Co. coaches, helped build cites like Melbourne and make Australian history. (R.M. Younger)

  • Younger, R.M. 'Wonderous Gold' in Australia and the Australians: A New Concise History, Rigby, Sydney, 1970

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

This is very off topic but that man is my great great great and so on grandfather, my gradfather was Robert Graham Hargraves and my grandmother was Barbara Hargraves, My Grandfather was scottish and my grandmother was from sheffeild —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.140.3 (talk) 10:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC) yolo swag — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.160.35.136 (talk) 06:44, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


Hargraves nugget[edit]

Introduced about the 'unique' / 'priceless' object known as "Hargraves nugget" thus :

"""" The University of Sydney owns a piece of gold known as the "Hargraves nugget", and which has been on display loan to various Australian museums. It is deemed to be a priceless piece of Australiana - believed by many to be what started the Gold Rush. The accepted account is that Hargraves' partners, William Tom and John Lister handed over to him all the gold they had found at Ophir — one two-ounce nugget, a 1/4-ounce (heart-shaped) nugget, one 3/5-ounce nugget, a small amount of granular gold and about 3/4 ounce of very small gold pieces. Hargraves then had his metallurgist friend, Enoch Rudder meld some of this into one lump or "nugget" to make a more impressive sight. He took that to Bathurst to talk on gold and the morning after he showed that "nugget" the rush was on to where he said it came from, later on named Ophir. The exact history of this unusual specimen has continued to be pondered on by geologists of Sydney's now defunct Geological and Mining Museum, and writers on first gold discovery such as Lynette Ramsay Silver who generated some elements of controversy following a 1997 book "Fabulous Furphies: 10 Great Myths from Australia's Past" by her and Edward Wybergh Docker, and from media interviews she gave when the nugget was on public display. Doubts expressed that it might not even be from Ophir caused the University have forensic metallurgy carried out. Results were was not fully conclusive but favoured it containing Ophir gold. """"

Was pointed out that it is inadequately sourced. A reference is this ....

58.173.27.252 (talk) 12:56, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/64343

Fabulous furphies : 10 great myths from Australia's past / Edward Docker & Lynette Silver

Bib ID 64343

Format BookBookOnline

Author

Silver, Lynette Ramsay, 1945-


Description Burra Creek, N.S.W. : Sally Milner Publishing, 1997

244 p. ; 23 cm. 

ISBN 1863511849

12:56, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

I could do with help on encoding references. I am also a geologist investigation this 'nugget' (or 'manufactured') lump myself so am certain this is for real. But the minute circumstances of everything about the Hargraves story have been tossed around a great deal, including his "nugget". This is all a very important part of Australian history. The gold rush changes the nation, so whatever started the gold rush is important too. Many would think that "seeing this 'nugget'" was a prime factor in what started the Gold Rush in Australia.

Thanks for any help/advice , John

I've left what I hope is a helpful reply on your own Talk Page, John, rather than going into referencing here. Hope that's OK. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:06, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

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