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- 1 Wall of text?
- 2 Grammar?
- 3 Source Citations?
- 4 Merge
- 5 Histories before Merge
- 6 Erick Erickson Version
- 7 Correspondence to other theories
- 8 Generativity
- 9 birthday lapdance?
- 10 Critique of Erikson
- 11 concerns about related articles
- 12 i want to know
- 13 Family
- 14 The 'Shirley Temple Spat'.
- 15 Inappropriate redirect from "Erick Erickson" to "Erik Erikson"
- 16 The Flying Tomato?
- 17 Enlarging bibliography
Wall of text?
The last several hundred words resemble a fortress of lecture notes. They're not formatted, wikified, or anything. Why is it still there? Deletion suggested. If the content is worthwhile it will be added again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 07:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, indeed, preposterously long. Randomly breaking up into paragraphs every three or four sentences would be better than nothing. What a donkey!
There are many awkward, and some incorrect/incomplete, sentences in this article--errors call reliability into question.
Most of the content of this page is the Bio, and most of that is taken verbatim from the bio section of http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/erikson.html. If the same author posted the content in two places, that's cool but it should be noted. If not... uh... that's bad, mm-kay? I note that this content was moved from the Erick Erikson page, was the source mentioned there and lost? Zakarria 01:03, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
- The above was on Talk:Erick Erickson when it was moved to here as part of the merger process. --Jerzy(t) 02:35, 2004 Jul 18 (UTC)
Histories before Merge
- 02:12, 2004 Jul 18 Jerzy deleted "Erik Erikson" (First step of merging with Erick Erickson)
- 21:11, 2004 Jun 14 . . Xgkkp (add category)
- 09:29, 2004 May 28 . . Karl-Henner (+ he)
- 21:31, 2004 Feb 9 . . Holizz ()
- 17:58, 2004 Jan 18 . . Robbot (Andre Engels - robot Adding:af)
- 00:34, 2003 Nov 17 . . Naddy (typo)
- 11:11, 2003 Nov 4 . . 220.127.116.11 (Add wikilink)
- 16:43, 2003 Sep 15 . . EdH (Add table of stages)
- 16:40, 2003 Aug 1 . . 18.104.22.168 ()
- 16:35, 2003 Aug 1 . . EdH ()
- 16:34, 2003 Aug 1 . . EdH ()
- 03:42, 2003 Apr 28 . . EdH ()
- 03:35, 2003 Apr 28 . . TakuyaMurata (wikify)
- 03:34, 2003 Apr 28 . . 22.214.171.124 ()
- (cur) (last) 06:35, 2004 Jul 17 Secretlondon (This article should be merged with Erik H. EriksonErik H. Erikson)
- (cur) (last) 05:05, 2004 Jul 17 Secretlondon (stages of development)
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- (cur) (last) 23:14, 2004 Feb 7 Poor Yorick (links)
- (cur) (last) 23:13, 2004 Feb 7 Poor Yorick (copyedit)
- (cur) (last) 02:03, 2004 Jan 21 126.96.36.199
Erick Erickson Version
The following is the last version from the Erick Erickson side of the history-merge, except that i converted the merge-template transclusion call to a plain link; merge text as seems appropriate. --Jerzy(t) 02:44, 2004 Jul 18 (UTC)
Erik Erikson (15 June, 1902 - 1994) was born in Frankfurt, Germany, and died in Harwich, Massachusetts, USA. There is a little mystery about his heritage: his biological father was an unnamed Danish man who abandoned Erik's mother before he was born. His mother, Karla Abrahamsen, was a young Jewish woman who raised him alone for the first three years of his life. She then married Dr. Theodor Homberger, who was Erik's pediatrician, and moved to Karlsruhe in southern Germany.
The development of identity seems to have been one of his greatest concerns in Erikson's own life as well as in his theory. During his childhood, and his early adulthood, he was Erik Homberger, and his parents kept the details of his birth a secret. So here he was, a tall, blond, blue-eyed boy who was also Jewish. At temple school, the kids teased him for being Nordic; at grammar school, they teased him for being Jewish.
Erikson's greatest innovation was to postulate not five stages of development, as Sigmund Freud had done, but eight. Erikson elaborated Freud's genital stage into adolescence plus three stages of adulthood. We certainly don't stop developing -- especially psychologically -- after our twelfth or thirteenth birthdays; It seems only right to extend any theory of stages to cover later development
The area under critique should be cited and needs more clarity. What constitutes "early adulthood" and does it technically occur before or after adolescence. It should be revised.
Is there a possibility of using this version instead of what's out there already on Erikson's early life? The existing article reads poorly and seems to suggest (to me, at least) that he was born by immaculate conception:
- At the time of her son's birth in Germany, Karla Abrahamsen had not seen her husband, Jewish stockbroker Waldemar Isidor Salomonsen, for several years.
Correspondence to other theories
Why is the correspondence to Freud's latency period mention at Stage 4, but no other correspondences mentioned? Should there be a section for how Erikson's theory corresponds to other developmental theories? --Jeiki Rebirth 21:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
What exactly does the word generativity mean when in context of Erikson's seventh stage of development?
My interpretation has always been that generativity referred to the ability to create and to continue to create and grow, hence being balanced against "stagnation". According to Understanding Psychology by R. H. Ettinger, the stage is dominated by a search for one's goal in life, and for focusing on steps to achieve this goal. DivineAna 20:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
"Even the birthday lapdance can be considered as a tool in that the father uses it to establish that his daughter is now older and has a new status in society and an obligation to men, starting with him." EXPLAIN? --188.8.131.52 04:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Critique of Erikson
this section is far from complete -- certainly implies by lack of other information that existing research is supportive vs. the lack of empirical research existing, and the various biases within the theory. I'm obivously new to Wikipedia, and not sure how the base content gets added, but am concerned that students are directed here as a great source, and yet articles appear biased by missing info..... Can anyone advise? Thanks! Susan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SHP3513 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC).
This criticism is true of psychoanalysis in general and a comprehensive criticism may be better reserved for that article. psychoanalysis The "implications" by the "lack of empirical research..." etc., would perhaps be the case for an entry in a self-proclaimed science-based textbook or journal, but I don't think it applies to Wikipedia, which is a general knowledge publication. Cuvtixo 14:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Would people who watch this page please check out the articles Psychohistory and Early infanticidal childrearing? They seem to claim or suggest some relation to Freud. But I have concerns that they marginalize notable (let alone majority or mainstream) views in favor of one person's fringe view, and may present pseudoscience as science. I was once involved in a flame war with one of the principle authors and it would be inappropriate for me to speedy delete or even nominate for deletion either of these. This may not be apparent as someone recently archived most of the talk history. Be that as it may, these are two articles that have somehow been off the radar. I would appreciate it if well-infrmed editors would look at them and comment, or discuss the appropriate course of action. thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 23:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
i want to know
Some aspects of Erikson's family life might be worth including. He was, for example, the father of the distinguished sociologist Kai Erikson, for whom there is a Wiki article. There should be a link. People working on this article might also consider whether they want to mention Erikson's retarded son, institutionalized shortly after birth, friends and family members being told that he had died. This isn't essential, obviously, but biographical information is of interest to many readers.Lolliapaulina51 (talk) 14:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I might add: though I've read Friedman's biography, I haven't read the 2004 memoir, In the Shadow of Fame, by Erikson's daughter, Susan Erikson Bloland. I therefore cannot say whether it should be included on the reference or "further reading" list, but it does seem to me that a memoir written by the subject's own child merits some mention. People who write memoirs of their celebrated parents may be simply venting old grudges; but that venting, in and of itself, may open a window into personal relationships of genuine biographical interest.Lolliapaulina51 (talk) 22:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
The 'Shirley Temple Spat'.
Perhaps as a matter of curiosity. Erickson once commented on the dancing and stage manner of Shirley Temple. Some how his observations became known to the general public in America. Hollywood found his comments at first surprising, then totally perplexing. This incident did however make Erickson known to a wider circle of the American public.Johnwrd (talk) 18:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Inappropriate redirect from "Erick Erickson" to "Erik Erikson"
Right now, "Erick Erickson" redirects to this article. There's a very famous internet journalist named Erick Erickson; he writes for RedState.com. Even though he doesn't have an article, I think it's confusing to have this redirect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 09:00, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
The Flying Tomato?
The section entitled "bibliography" is currently little more than a list of Erikson's own books. Hjelle, L.A. and Ziegler, D. (1981) Personality Theories: Basic Assumptions, Research and Applications McGrawHill (second edition 1992) is quite strong on Erikson. Carltonio (talk) 19:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)