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Arthur Sullivan's Overture to "Patience"

Greetings, Eugen d'Albert aficionados.

I've started a discussion on Sullivan's talk page, here, about whether it was Eugene d'Albert who wrote the overture to the operetta "Patience", or his father Charles Louis Napoleon d'Albert. If you're interested, please go there and participate in the debate. JackofOz 02:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved. -- Ssilvers (talk) 12:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Composer project review

I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This is a fine B-class article; looks like its well on its way to a Good or Feature level. I had some issues, more to do with how some things are presented; these are in my review on the comments page. Questions or comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 00:58, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Last weeks

An editor added this: "In the weeks preceding his death, D'Albert was the subject of a virulent public campaign, conducted by the press in Riga, against the composer's personal life. Waghalter, who was serving in 1932 as general music director of the National Opera in Riga, was among D'Albert's closest friends and defenders during this final sad period of the composer's life." Can anyone find references to verify this information? Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have just added a reference, which is Waghalter's autobiography. Davidwgreen (talk) 10:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)davidwgreen[reply]

Thanks. I streamlined the info, as there was too much about Waghalter, and that info is in Waghalter's article or already mentioned. I also made the ref more complete. BTW, Waghalter's autiobiography does not come up on Google. Is the name exactly right? -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading edit

It is misleading to state, without qualification, that Eugen d'Albert was "German". He was raised in Britain. He did not emigrate to Germany until the 1880s and became a Swiss citizen in 1914, so he spent only half his life in Germany. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:37, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:OPENPARA. Toccata quarta (talk) 22:45, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I see the guideline. It says, "In most modern-day cases..." This person is not modern-day, and this is a case that does not fall within "most", because it would be misleading to identify him as simply "German". Can you explain why it would be more helpful to readers to leave this information out? I believe that it would be misleading, as I have explained. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:41, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

German? Eh??

"It is misleading to state, without qualification, that Eugen d'Albert was "German"."

It's more than misleading -- it's nonsense.

Eugene's father was French (although born in (ethnic) Germany (the political Germany was in suspension from 1806 to 1871), in which Eugene's grandfather lived as an officer of the French army. (Remember that Napoleon held a lot of Germany then -- Beethoven was formally a subject of Napoleon's brother who was king of (inter alia) Bonn.) Eugene's mother was English (from Newcastle). Eugene was born in Glasgow.

Germany did not enter the equation until Eugene took a scunner against his homeland, ****ed off and took German citizenship -- which he than regretted; he ran away to Italy and then to Switzerland.

"German" and Germany was an incident, NOT an ethnicity nor a patriarchy. Eugene was a Scottish-born Franco-Englishman (of Italian extraction, I believe), and no more German than de Gaulle apart from a period of technical citizenry. Certainly, he was *NOT* a German composer! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyresider (talk • contribs) 20:32, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See MOS:BIO. Toccata quarta (talk) 21:12, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you can keep linking to more guidelines, but the situation here continues to be a good illustration of why the guidelines all say "In most ... cases". -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:02, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

He was a swiss citizien, therefore we have to correct [unsigned by User:Lovemankind83]

His whole career was in Germany. He retired to Switzerland. We already state in the article that he became a Swiss citizen. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:06, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting

He was never French, so it seems inappropriate to sort him under A for "Albert, d'". He's referred throughout the article as "D'Albert", and I think most readers would expect to see him listed under D for "D'Albert" wherever his name appears in lists etc.

Comments? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 19:49, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you are confident, go ahead and re-sort. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:10, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

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==Composers Project Assessment of Eugen d'Albert: 2009-02-7==

This is an assessment of article Eugen d'Albert by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano.

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Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status.

===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?

ok

===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

ok. Family should be integrated into rest of bio.

===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

ok. Family should be integrated into rest of bio.

===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.

List is not complete; lieder not listed.

===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?

ok

===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.)

ok

===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references?

Article has references; mostly inline cited.

===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.)

ok, but lead should be expanded

===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review===

Article requires more inline citations (WP:CITE)
Article lead needs work (WP:LEAD)

===Summary=== I always like reading articles like this -- a fairly well-written article about someone who's not all that well known. I would have preferred to have the family details more integrated into the main bio, and perhaps have some mention at least of how many children he had (since it is mentioned that he had them). I also did not come away with a good sense of what his music was like stylistically -- I think there is some of that description present, but it needs to be a point of focus at some point.

Article is a high B; it looks to be well on its way to Good or Feature level. Magic♪piano 00:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 00:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 14:44, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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