Talk:Francis Bryan

A fact from Francis Bryan appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 November 2007. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that 16th-century English diplomat Francis Bryan disgraced himself by throwing eggs and stones at the common people during a mission to Paris?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2007/November.

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Picture[edit]

Unfortunately, according to Alison Weir no portrait of Bryan has survived - I've noted this in the article. Mrabbits (talk) 22:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That was a useful point to add to the article. As for the template above, "needs-photo" is despite its name a request for any material that could illustrate the article.

If there is no contemporary portrait/engraving/coin/etc. there is still the possibility of a later historical painting, or an "artist's depiction" illo in a history book, or made up for the cover of a biography, or a modern poststamp, etc.
And there are always things we don't think of, for instance a movie about Cromwell and Boleyn could feature him, and then a shot of his actor would provide an illo (decently captioned to explain). Or even a comic book or graphic novel featuring him as a character in a scene.
And they could originate from any country. Maybe that, right now, the Dutch have a book about famous historical traitors, featuring a dramatic depiction of Francis Bryan rendered in the style of Rembrandt? (I just made this up.) Maybe there is a collectible card game featuring him in one of its series?

Basically, if you keep the article listed in this category, it informs people specializing in illo-sleuthing that something, anything, would be welcome for the article. — Komusou ^talk @ 15:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A 'Trimmer'?[edit]

surely this is an archaic term. the only entry in wiktionary is: a device to trim. the purpose of an encyclopaedia is to inform,not to show off our ability to write in the language of tudor england. the intended meaning is unclear and think a better word should be found. Toyokuni3 (talk) 02:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I knew what it meant from context. It is an obscure term, though. And next time try a real dictionary. :-) http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trimmer 71.165.132.175 (talk) 04:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Undocumented children for Francis Bryan[edit]

The Francis Bryan page now states that he and Joan Fitzgerald had three children. They were married from August, 1548 to his death in February 2, 1550. Unless two of these children were twins, it would be difficult to have three children in about 18 months. I cannot find proof of the existence of any of them--therefore I suggest they be documented or removed from the page.

Thank you kindly!

--Amy

71.192.99.10 (talk) 23:11, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

From The Society of Genealogists, London:

The data concerning the ancestry of Sir Francis Bryan is based on research done by The Society of Genealogists, London. Much of this material is also contained in "The Dictionary of National Biography" and "The Complete Peerage."

For the line showing the descent of Morgan Bryan from Sir Francis, the writer is indebted to the late Gordon M. Ash, Esq. Of Frederick, MD, a Bryan descendant, and lately genealogist to the Society of Descendants of Knights of the Garter. It has also been published in Carter R. Bryan's, "The Bryan Family," Armstrong's "Notable Southern Families, " J. W. Shearer's, "The Shearer-Akers Family," and various articles on the ancestry of Morgan's brother, William.

Sir Francis Bryan was twice married, first to Phillippa Montgomery, by whom he had a son, Sir Edward Bryan. By Lady Joan, he had a son, Francis, who married Ann, daughter of Sir William Smith. From his mother, the second Francis Bryan inherited estates in County Clare. His son, William Smith Bryan, attempted to gain the throne of Ireland, and in 1650 Cromwell deported him as a troublesome subject. Together with eleven sons and a shipload of chattels, including horses and other livestock, he landed at Gloucester Beach, Virginia, and his twenty-one sons and grandsons settled Gloucester County. An article in "The Thoroughbred Record" credits him with being among the first to bring horses to America. 98.56.146.140 (talk) 22:39, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

tudorplace.com[edit]

Tudorplace.com, a now defunct website, was a personal website of an amateur genealogist. Although this person was quite prolific, they are not recognized as an authority in this subject matter. I will be removing the references to this site as unreliable.Wjhonson (talk) 18:46, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]