Talk:Georg Schäfer (artist)

Oma Ziegenfuss

Error in name title of page Oma Ziegenfuss. Name Title of page should state Georg Schafer. He used other a.k.a.'s. George (Western for Georg) In the 1970's he started using Oma (German, Grandmother)Ziegenfuss (German, goat foot) not legal name. He had a longing for the old shepherds of Germany and rarely used the name Shepherd. http://www.csp.org/chrestomathy/in_the_kingdom.html

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/1496/link.htm   http://www.houstonculture.org/archive/e04110.html   etc. etc. etc.

My late husband Oma aka Georg Schafer went by the name of Oma for the entire time that we were together. This period of time started in 1979 until his death in 1990. According to Oma, Ziegenfuss, was his mother's maiden name and meant "goat foot". Here is a link showing this definition; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziegenfuss - this is why he started signing his paintings with a stylized goat print. Oma never mentioned missing shepherds of GermanyMani schafer (talk) 22:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

He should be known (as indeed he is) by his given name, which was Georg Schaefer, because that's how he's credited on his best-known work. I think the commenter misunderstood -- 'Schaefer' is just the German for shepherd.

Lived with him for a number of years. Officially known as Georg to family and friends. To those who were part of his Buddhist Art Colony all used the name Oma I don't know how to change the title at the top of the page. Oma Nipa 13:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution, Oma Nipa a.k.a. Frank1935. I renamed the page.

My friend, who started this page, will be happy about how the page has grown since. Are you the same user who did the change a week earlier, saying she was his late wife? — Sebastian (talk) 23:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

This page badly needs references! I revised some of the "artistic" writing to make it more NPOV. Is "Nan Cuz" Mani, or who? This wasn't clear; I hope I got it right. jaknouse (talk) 04:56, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

There are no references available, that's the trouble. The only good source is a website set up by Mani below, which has a wealth of original documentation that we can't interpret here because it would qualify as original research. The work simply hasn't been done (yet). I'd let it stand until someone comes up with something more authoritative -- which may be never. Sartoresartus (talk) 12:42, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I am Mani, his second wife and not Nan Cuz aka Ingmar Hinneman. It is difficult for a neutral point of view because Oma painted using Nan Cuz as artist so that the paintings would be better accepted as Nan Cuz was part Mayan. As most people who have been married understand couple's rarely think that their marriage will end. As such Oma, Georg at the time had no concerns about this as the family benefited from the sale of the art. Georg already had a reputation as a writer, giving art credit may be seen as a type of gift from a husband to a wife. Once separated there would be a lot of pressure on Nan to be an artist as well as to make the income. I give her credit for great courage as she took art classes and became an artist in her own right. That said, there has been a great reluctance by members of that branch of the family to let go of the momentum created by Oma's art. It has been contentious due to the fact that Oma was the artist behind the earlier paintings and Nan Cuz did not want to expose this.Mani schafer (talk) 22:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

What happened to the text of this page? Earlier it was informative and clear and had dates and refs. Now it is barely literate. Horrible.Parsnip13 (talk) 16:06, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Second that. Why change 'early in life' to 'when he was a baby' and so on?

I concur as it seems while I was unavailable someone had and has changed the article extensively. I, Mani (Oma's second wife) had been in very bad place economically and emotionally for quite some time after Oma's death. The reasons for this are not important, suffice it to say that things have worked out and I live comfortably in Saint Petersburg Florida. I now have many of Oma's later paintings on public display and I have most of the original paintings from The Kingdom of Mescal. Like any artist Oma's later work reflects his growth. All of these paintings are available for public display or to be viewed in my facility.

Any interested party may inspect this large collection of art, poetry, miscellaneous documentation so any controversy can be put to rest. 4668 15th Avenue South, Saint Petersburg, Florida, 33711 Mani schafer (talk) 22:15, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

An independent web site; www.omahe.com is available and is representative of Oma's later work. Any one interested will see in the biographical section scanned documentation showing his execution order modification by Heinrick Himmler among other items.Mani schafer (talk) 22:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

He published his books by the name "Georg Schäfer" (GND 1048292630): Irgendeiner oder Der große Nachtgesang des Hundegottes Norro (1967) and Im Reiche des Mescál (1968). --Kolja21 (talk) 23:14, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Nan Cuz

There's quite a lot of confusion about who painted the pictures in the Mescal book. His own people (his second wife 'Mani' and friends, including the author of the original entry here) are claiming he painted under the pseudonym Nan Cuz to emphasise the ethnic nature of the work, and maybe he did, but Nan Cuz IS a respected Guatemalan painter and there's an interview with her on German radio (where she sheds no light on the question). Her style is quite different, rather more tame and conventional -- the Mescal paintings look more like his work to my untutored eye -- but it may be that it changed later in life. Any aficionados? Sartoresartus (talk) 08:04, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

As most people who have been married understand couple's rarely think that their marriage will end. As such Oma, Georg at the time had no concerns about this as the family benefited from the sale of the art. Georg already had a reputation as a writer, giving art credit may be seen as a type of gift from a husband to a wife. Once separated there may have been a lot of pressure on Nan to be an artist as well as to make the income. I give her credit for great courage as she took art classes and became an artist in her own right. That said, there has been a great reluctance by members of that branch of the family to let go of the momentum created by Oma's art. It has been contentious due to the fact that Oma was the artist behind the earlier paintings.

Any one interested in seeing a large representation of Oma's art may do so. I have explained the history of the whole "who painted what" controversy. This does not however, take away any credit for what Nan Cuz has achieved after her separation from Georg aka Oma Ziegenfuss. More information and samples of Oma's art; www.omahe.com Mani schafer (talk) 22:25, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Right, as I say: his later work on your website looks much more like the art in the Mescal book than Nan Cuz's own later work, but we can't make the decision here on Wikipedia. All we can say is that you 'claim' that it's the case, or maybe that you 'credibly claim' that it's the case (and that she claims otherwise). The documentation on your website also seems to bear out some of his other accounts, like the report on the wartime judgment that you reproduce -- but the picture is too small for me to read clearly, and at any rate Wiki doesn't allow us to put in what it calls 'original research'. I think we could treat your website as a reliable source, partly because there are no others, but at the moment we'll have to leave things ambiguous because of wiki rules. It's great that you've now set up the website and I hope you can put up as much documentation up as possible if you have the time. I think there IS interest, because the book is still popular, but the work has to be done elsewhere first, not in this encyclopedia. Sartoresartus (talk) 09:17, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

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