Talk:Germanus of Auxerre

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former Roman general[edit]

Wasn't Germanus also a former Roman general? I don't see that mentioned anywhere in the article.WackoJackO 08:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


Copyright problem removed[edit]

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I have removed the quotation from Hilaire Belloc because it appeared to be a copyright violation. See Wikipedia:Lyrics and poetry. Verbcatcher (talk) 20:21, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

A quotation of a few lines from a much longer poem would seem to me to be entirely in accord with policy and law. I shall reinsert. DuncanHill (talk) 20:34, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
A quotation of a few lines might be acceptable in an article on Belloc or on Drinking Songs, but probably not here. Wikipedia:Non-free content#Policy says:

8. Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.

This quotation does not increase the readers' knowledge of Germanus of Auxerre. Verbcatcher (talk) 21:03, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


Commenting as a third party, & knowing something about the subject, I believe this quotation is relevant & meets the fair use criteria. First, Belloc's poem is not a drinking song (as if drinking songs from an extinct Christian sect somehow survived into our age), but clearly indicates a sarcastic usage. Second, it mentions Germanus' role as a disputant against the Pelagian sectarians, thus illustrating how the bishop was remembered in the early 20th century. Thirdly, any summary of Belloc's verses would likely end up being longer than directly quoting these 4 lines. Lastly, the quotation is entertaining -- a nice change from the usual "Fictional portrayals of X" which are full of citations from tv shows & pop songs. -- llywrch (talk) 21:28, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your constructive comments. The quote could be justified on the basis of "illustrating how the bishop was remembered in the early 20th century", but this justification would be stronger if we pointed this out, or at least gave some context. I propose:
The Catholic writer and historian Hilaire Belloc (1860–1953) referred to Germanus's role as a disputant against the Pelagian sectarians in his humorous poem, The Pelagian Drinking Song:
And with his stout Episcopal staff
So thoroughly whacked and banged
The heretics all, both short and tall –
They rather had been hanged.
Perhaps satirised would be better than referred to, if this is accurate. This would be better placed at the end of the Visit to Britain section, so that it illustrates Germanicus's vigorous behaviour in Britain. Verbcatcher (talk) 22:05, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

List of places in north Wales[edit]

The list of places in north Wales is awkwardly long:

[...] who is commemorated in several North Wales placenames and church dedications, including Capel Garmon, Llanarmon, Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog, Llanarmon Mynydd Mawr, Llanarmon-yn-Iâl, Llanfechain and Castle Caereinion.

If we need a list then it should be in a separate article, as with St. Michael's Church. This list should be reduced to two or three of the most notable examples. I could do this, but prefer to leave it to someone more familiar with these places and churches. Verbcatcher (talk) 15:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Cult of St Alban[edit]

I removed from the text passages doubting that the cult was earlier than Germanus. Martin Biddle, in the reference added, argues for continuity between Roman Christianity and Medieval in St Albans, including the veneration of the saint. Pelarmian (talk) 12:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)