Talk:Goodsprings, Nevada

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Goodsprings in popular culture[edit]

This keeps getting deleted (by the same users) and then added back by others. The article doesn't need a whole lot of detail about the Fallout game, but Fallout is a fairly major game series. It's no different than the Albuquerque article mentioning the city being the setting of Breaking Bad, or Bugs Bunny "taking a wrong turn" there. Maybe even more so, since Albuquerque's a much larger city and most people have probably never heard of Goodsprings unless they live in the area or from Fallout: New Vegas. And even then they might not have known it's an actual place. And it meets WP:POPCULTURE: "For example, it is appropriate if a city's article mentions films, books or television series in which the city is itself a prominent setting". PaulGS (talk) 08:13, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Irrelevant here - put a note in the game article if you wish. Vsmith (talk) 14:49, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Agreed. Not to belabor the obvious, but a video game is not a book, film, or television series. Further, OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is seldom a compelling argument on Wikipedia. But to speak to that a bit, Breaking Bad was actually shot in Albuquerque. People can watch that series and see actual scenes from that community. As opposed to CG. To be good content for an "In popular culture" section, a bit needs to inform the reader about the community more than it does about the cultural item being added. Simple truth is a person knows nothing more about this community by knowing that a game designer chose to set part of their game in their fictionalized version of the community. John from Idegon (talk) 16:41, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
How does that apply anything to anything that a game is not a movie is not a book? Well it's not a horse either, i don't see how any wiki rule applies here from your statement (talk) 23:52, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
The policy applies to all sorts of things, not just books, films, and TV series (and it's "for example", which means it applies to other things, too). What's the difference between Fallout: New Vegas - which, according to its article, sold 5 million copies with sales of $300 million - and a TV series? Video games these days aren't just mindless entertainment, and while pop culture sections shouldn't mention every time the name of a town or person or event pops up, a major video game featuring a town nobody's otherwise heard of is pretty notable. It's fiction, but so is the Albuquerque of Breaking Bad - it's not a documentary, and while the buildings might be real, the events certainly aren't. The mention here tells the player of the game who looks up the article that, yes, the place does exist, which says more about the town than the game. PaulGS (talk) 18:48, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
But people who are interested in the town from the game can look it up without any mention of the game in this article. You could even Wikilink the articles name in the games article. None of that is a logical arguement. BTW, the article on the community existed well before the game did. There are literally thousands of reasons people might want to find out more about the community.John from Idegon (talk) 19:04, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Of course the article on the community existed before the game did. The town's much older; the game came out in 2010. And it's not just a mention of the town in the game, but several actual buildings, including the saloon, are featured. If it's irrelevant that a town is featured in a work of fiction, then when, in your opinion, would it be relevant? Maybe there are other reasons to look up Goodsprings - maybe New York City has thousands; not so sure about Goodsprings - but why remove one? I suppose this page needs to be deleted, too? Boston_in_fiction PaulGS (talk) 19:10, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── There are no actual buildings in the game. No matter how much progress has been made in CG, you cannot transport an actual structure into a game environment. Your arguments are not compelling, and the simple fact is you have no consensus to make your proposed changes. Ta. John from Idegon (talk) 20:57, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

By that logic, Breaking Bad isn't a reference either. No matter how much progress has been made in photography, you cannot transport an actual structure into a video. (talk) 21:54, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
To the extent that extra folks weighing in carries any weight, I'm in favor of inclusion. The WP:POPCULTURE definition explicitly includes videogames. The treatment of Goodsprings in the game is fairly in-depth (in that many of the prominent buildings were reproduced in the virtual world with a high degree of attention to detail), and the featuring within the game is extremely prominent in that Goodsprings forms the setting for the beginning of the game, meaning that *every* player of the game encounters Goodsprings. Although "notability" on the part of the creative work is (explicitly) not necessarily required as a condition of WP:POPCULTURE, the game series itself does have a substantive article here on Wikipedia, and had substantial success - to the extent videogames count at all as cultural references (and they explicitly do), it's one of the biggest. Since the Goodsprings article has no other cultural references listed, there isn't exactly a danger of a runaway in-popular-culture section, the other main caveat of WP:POPCULTURE. So I'm mostly detecting an inappropriate aversion to videogame references in general, which I hope someone with more Wikipedia experience will eventually set straight here. A short reference that doesn't need to get into the plot of the game would be entirely appropriate - "Goodsprings forms the setting for the beginning of the 2010 videogame Fallout: New Vegas. Many of the town's historical buildings are reproduced in the game with a substantial attention to detail." (talk) 18:57, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

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