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Where is Bud?

Somewhere on this main page there should be reference to the major supporting actors of the cast, such as Danny Bruno who plays the oft-recurring Wesen friend character of "Bud". Bud is a friendly fellow who is representative of the wider, more amiable Wesen community, and is frequently called upon to assist the main characters actions in some way. While he is mentioned as recurring cast on the individual Seasons pages, I feel that there should be somewhere (perhaps a separate section on the main page) about the supporting characters who frequently appear over multiple Seasons, such as Bud, Kelly Burkhart (Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio), and Trubel (Jacqueline Toboni). LaEremita (talk) 04:41, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I added references and descriptions of Bud(Danny Bruno), Trubel(Jacqueline Toboni), Kelly Burhardt(Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio), and Meisner(Damien Puckler) roles in the show. Feel free to edit the descriptions or make a separate section for the recurring cast.--Rzell02 (talk) 04:32, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fables Controversy

The creator of the comic book 'Fables' is accusing this show and "Once Upon a Time" of ripping off his concepts. Among these, the idea of a reformed Big Bad Wolf. Is this noteworthy yet, or should we see if the showlasts? -- 4.152.246.180 (talk) 18:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you ask me, this also seems like one giant Buffy the Vampire Slayer ripoff, only way less interesting.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.30.73.158 (talk) 23:27, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seems irrelevant, and like sour grapes, for a guy who writes a comic book with characters he didn't really create. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.228.180.177 (talk) 06:00, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, according to this editorial written by Bill Willingham (the creator of 'Fables') he does not think that "Once Upon a Time" is ripping off his concepts (or at the very least, that it's a nuanced issue and that he has an ultimately positive attitude towards the show), and I think it's easily inferred that the general opinion he presents applies to "Grimm" as well. So it's really a non-issue. Pro-Apocalyptic (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:48, 17 December 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Terry Pratchett introduced the concept of the reformed werewolf decades ago. It's not new or noteworthy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.142.207 (talk) 14:09, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Question on Time

What means 9/8c? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.251.53.23 (talk) 20:02, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have clarified. In the US, shows often air an hour different between the eastern and central time zone, so that is 8 eastern/9 central. 99.43.32.160 (talk) 16:59, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, you got it the wrong way round.

In this context, 9/8c indicates that a TV program is broadcast simultaneously across two time zones in the USA, namely 9 o'clock in the Eastern time zone, when it is 8 o'clock in the Central time zone. For more info, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_the_United_States Twistlethrop (talk) 02:40, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Monroe

I have not seen any official reference on NBC.com or elsewhere that Monroe's first name is Eddie. Why do we show a first name?--Gaarmyvet (talk) 16:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the extras on the season 1 DVDs, Silas Weir Mitchell is credited on a caption as "Eddie Monroe". Not that I've never heard anyone call him Eddie on the show though!

MissSixFootTwo (talk) 15:47, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Blutbaden

Given the fact that the pilot was titled "Born to be blutbad", should we use that term rather than "big bad wolf"?

See:

http://www.nbc.com/grimm/grimm-guide/2011/10/blutbad-pl-blutbaden/

http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/Blutbad

--Guy Macon (talk) 08:03, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I updated the "Big Bad Wolf" reference with the more proper term Wieder Blutbad - a reformed Blutbad who obstains from feeding on humans --Mconwell (talk) 18:55, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I changed Wieder Blutbad to Wider Blutbad because of the difference meaning of wieder and wider in german. 79.220.108.17 (talk) 00:18, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The difference between "wieder" and "wider" is like that one between "again" and "against". By the way, "Blutbad" means "bloodbath" or "massacre" and cannot be used for a person. "Big Bad Wolf" seems the better choice for me. A similar mistake is the term "Fuchsbau" meaning "foxhole" or even "maze". The german dubbing uses "Fuchsteufel" (fox devil) in this case what was previously only used in the combination "fuchsteufelswild" meaning "mad as hell". I am sorry but as a German native speaker I have to tell you that.Bafibo (talk) 16:49, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Multi camera?

Why is this listed as multi camera setup? That's just for sitcoms in front of a live audience. Kumagoro-42 15:04, 18 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumagoro-42 (talk • contribs)

This is anecdotal so I don't know how to use it. According to my son in law, currently a staff crew member on Grimm, they use three cameras, running two at nearly all times: one on a railed dolly and one low (probably on a so-called sawed-off, or else on a high-hat tripod). A third, hand-held on Steadycam, is added as needed. However, this is NOT the 3, 4, or 5 classic cameras on pedestals rolled around a studio floor for a standard multi-camera sitcom shoot. On Grimm, the setups are completely custom for each sequence. However, when shooting all-digital on ARRIs, recording costs nothing, so they can get quick coverage and footage that would task an old-style production's film budget. He says they will sometimes shoot 10 pages a day. Given the quality of the lighting and coverage, this is astonishing to anyone used to the obsolete Hollywood procedures. Jim Stinson (talk) 21:35, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This should be listed as "single camera". It's a misleading name as ALL "single camera" shows have multiple cameras, but that's the right way to describe it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidabell2 (talk • contribs) 00:30, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Captain Renard--NBC bio spoiler?

The current description for this character has Renard as a member of an unknown creature community, but NBC's official bio says he's a Grimm, but part of Grimm royalty.

See: http://www.nbc.com/grimm/about/bios/sasha-roiz/

He's not a creature, but this also seems like a spoiler as it hasn't been revealed in the show yet.72.231.220.82 (talk) 05:01, 31 March 2012 (UTC)Anna[reply]

His mother is a hexenbiest, so he's half human (Royal) and half something else. What the something else is, isn't clear, since according to what I've read online (sorry, can't remember where) hexenbiests are only female, so he can't be part hexenbiest...

MissSixFootTwo (talk) 15:49, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The stuff online--even at official pages--isn't necessarily reliable. They'll "tell lies" to avoid giving away plot developments.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 21:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah but his half brother Eric stated (in a season 2 episode) that Sean's mother was a hexenbiest!

MissSixFootTwo (talk) 23:43, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, no argument there. I just meant that it would not be beyond NBC -- and might even be logical -- for a webpage to say there are no male hexenbiesten until the producers were ready to reveal Renard's origins. Renard was "fully human" until we were blindsided!--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 01:27, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Episode section

This is way to confusing!!! I doesn't make any sense with the changes that have been made to it. It needs to go back to the clear paragraph format, that it was, or removed altogether. Caringtype1 (talk) 14:29, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

recurring characters

should we add a section about recurring characters such as adalind or aunt marie?Caringtype1 (talk) 20:57, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds reasonable to me. Most shows have such a section, I think. --98.69.198.38 (talk) 00:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are we sure about the timeslot?

August 13 is a Monday... is that just a special thing and it goes back to Fridays at 9, or will it be Mondays altogether? Brambleberry ^{☾of RC☽} 22:54, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is that the show will broadcast on Mondays and Fridays for four weeks, Friday being a repeat of Monday, then return to premiering new episodes on Fridays. NBC is "taking advantage of the post-Olympic slump?"--Gaarmyvet (talk) 13:29, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When does season 6 episode 1 air?

Yayateresa (talk) 11:13, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Metacritic

If metacritic's "critic" score is noted, shouldn't the much more favorable "user score" be noted? And is Grimm saddled with that critic score forever? The article notes that the "beginning" received mixed reviews but all of metacritic's reviews are from Sept.21-Oct.28, 2011, almost a year and 22 episodes ago. That no longer seems relevant or useful. --98.69.198.38 (talk) 00:52, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

there is one review for season two on metacritic. Its positive. It can be quoted and referenced here. The user score shouldn't be noted, though.Caringtype1 (talk) 01:08, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

type

Late stray thought: the first line of the article is "Grimm is an American police procedural fantasy television drama series." Should "fantasy" be replaced with "supernatural horror" or something? The first ep of s2 was not exactly wise wizards and cute elves. Usually the "horror" aspect is fairly light but it's still much darker than what "fantasy" often connotes and can sometimes be actual horror. --98.69.198.38 (talk) 00:58, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Its a bit of both. But I don't think the first line should be changed.Caringtype1 (talk) 01:09, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Dark fantasy" is the proper term; fantasy with a pronounced horror element. Don't know if that requires the changing of the first line. ^{Brambleberry of RiverClan}_meow 21:21, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Casting

The Casting section doesn't mention Reggie Lee in the sequence of hires; I don't know the answer.--Gaarmyvet (talk) 19:27, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

St. Johns Bridge

It looks like the St. Johns Bridge is featured prominently in the series. There even appears to be a painting of it above Juliette's computer desk. The house at the corner of Burlington, Edison and Salem was in the recent episode. Group29 (talk) 13:58, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ratings Section

The section seems rather confusing. It's too detailed for its brevity. 217.19.182.30 (talk) 20:26, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The ratings mix overnight number and other numbers. The overnights are the generally accepted numbers and the season averages should be changed to show the overnight averages, not whatever was used which is just Public Relations spin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidabell2 (talk • contribs) 00:31, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Really?

"Daynah Burnett, well known in the industry for being out of touch and not very bright, reviewed the show [...]"

How professional is this?

Erjyx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.135.93.241 (talk) 22:53, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. --Six words (talk) 06:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Translation

Would someone add a section about the known translations ? I know at least season 1 has been translated to french. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.130.220.45 (talk) 00:42, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Webisodes

It would be useful to know what order to watch the webisodes vs. regular episodes so as not to spoil any plots. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:04, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(...sound of crickets...) --Guy Macon (talk) 00:43, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Absent a source that tells you the answer, you could always watch the webisodes and determine for yourself whether it matters, and improve the article at the risk of engaging in original research.

If I were the show's producer, I'd make the webisodes independent side-stories that are interesting to watch, but don't affect the overall story arc. I haven't seen them, but I'd wager that the webisodes would, say, examine a particular species of Wesen in depth, or explore the background of one of the human characters (like Detective Wu), or go back in time to explore the origins of feuds or alliances between various Wesen. ~Amatulić (talk) 18:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a plan. I will watch them, report back here as to whether there are any spoilers, and then we can discuss whether we can use this in some way to improve the article. Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 21:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I watched all four "Bad Hair Day" webisodes. They didn't reveal any major plot lines, but it showed the tea shop, Rosalee and Monroe putting together a remedy, and showed that Bud is an eisbiber, so if someone has only seen the first couple of episodes, it reveals too much.

How about this as a way to improve the article without actually relying on original research instead of reliable sources: On List of Grimm episodes We could move the "Bad Hair Day" webisodes between season one and season two. I am assuming from the air dates that the "Meltdown" webisodes would work between season two and season three. The "Love Is in the Air" webisodes aired halfway through season three, but to keep the list consistent we could put them between season three and season four.

In a way, we would be sort of implying that that's a good order to watch them in without actually saying so (as much as the current structure sort of implies that you should watch the webisodes after the regular episodes) without actually making any unsourced claim about when to watch the webisodes.

BTW, does anyone have a link to a download of the other webisodes? Steaming or watching on Youtube is inconvenient for me and I prefer to save something on my disk and watch it when I don't have van internet connection. Purely for research purposes, you understand... :) --Guy Macon (talk) 12:45, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Original research on pronunciation of Wesen

The first paragraph of the ‘Synopsis’ section currently states that the word Wesen is ‘pronounced as "vezen" in the show’. I found that statement strange because what I hear them say is "vessen" (as if it were spelled Weßen), which is just as wrong. So, I thought I would find the explanation in the referenced source, but it turns out that the reference is question is not sourced at all; it’s just another statement. Doesn’t that violate WP:NOR? 66.130.248.96 (talk) 21:49, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed: I've been bold and deleted the whole footnote. In addition to being original research, it adds nothing to the article, which is about a television drama rather than about linguistics ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 18:54, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Opening?

What's with the "opening"? Was it just on TV? Because it's not on DVD. At least not on my european (region 2) version.--2003:6F:8C03:D40:7139:99F1:A733:EBC9 (talk) 07:55, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have the European Season 2 Blu-ray. That opening appears to have been used on something like the first three or four episodes before they dropped it. Probably they realised it was a bit cheesy. 2A00:23C6:1683:4D01:1CFD:EC9D:CF84:4105 (talk) 15:49, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Separate article for episode

'Happily ever aftermath' has its own article. But it doesn't explain why it's special or noteworthy. Can someone shed light? 122.164.109.145 (talk) 07:30, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

King of Austria?

In the Wiki article, reference is made of a "king of Austria". . . There is no "king" of Austria. It is a federal republic. . . The last royal family of Austria (the Hapsburgs) still had a ruler in the late nineteenth century, but they are no more as a ruling class. . . 2600:8807:C040:1:4F53:5E36:B39:B01A (talk) 14:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's true that Austria and several other European countries abolished their monarchies at the end of World War I. But apparently some people still keep track of who would be a king, or emperor, if the monarchies had not been abolished. See, for example Karl von Habsburg. It's not surprising to find a fiction TV series that acts as if these monarchies still existed, either in reality or in secret. I don't know if the writers of Grimm intend that their fictional world, the monarchs are "real" or if they just wield a lot of influence as if they were monarchs. Jc3s5h (talk) 15:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fogging (censorship)

I have been watching this recently on broadcast, and there is lots of Fogging (censorship) , but i can't find discussion of this, was the series originally blurred so much (blurring blood and severed body parts)? law & order doesn't blur blood From what range (talk) 02:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure there was no censoring on the original broadcast of the show. It might just be the channel you're watching it on doing it. -- Zoo Blazer 03:03, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]