Talk:Hāfu

Create Japanese Page

It's important to also have a Japanese language version of this page to increase awareness and understanding about Hāfu among people in Japan. So if you have good Japanese language skills please take some time to make a Japanese page about Hāfu.

Artanisen (talk) 00:00, 05 August 2018 (UTC)

Controversy abroad

Many Western audiences have argued that the term is incredibly derogatory or at least unintentionally disrespectful. If you google "hafu is offensive" there's 71,000 google results. For example, Miss America Japan voiced discomfort about the term, noting that it isn't necessary outside of Japan. Then there's this Asian writer adds a disclaimer at the bottom of her editorial apologizing for the term as borderline racist. Lastly there is a wide net of social media posts on reddit and other blogs that feel it is reverse racism and colloquially antiquated, while defenders feel it is much ado about nothing. 218.221.116.182 (talk) 13:07, 15 June 2018 (UTC)megurohapa

Fiction

I find it weird that fictional characters show up on this list. I'm not opposed of them being on this list but I think they should at least be seperated. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElbowLick (talk • contribs) 03:05, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

202.254.91.2 (talk) 03:59, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Removed unencyclopaedic "list of halfs"

Before anyone gets their panties in a twist over the section being removed, go have a look at the first page of the history and see just how many of the 50 most recent changes to this article were useful, and how many were simply people spamming more halfs onto the list. Tenaqzn'f Fbvyrq Gubat (talk) 12:33, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

The list of notable hafu has evidently returned. I essentially have no problem with that, but if a real list were to be included, it would contain hundreds and hundreds of names. I feel that either the current list should be removed, or it be made into a thorough list of notables. It does a disservice to hafu, not to mention to the integrity of Wikipedia, to have just a cursory, subjective list. The key to this subject in Japan is the closeting of the phenonmenon, particularly as relates to Chinese- or Korean-Japanese hafu, among whose number there are many who have played key roles in society. It is for this reason that it is not simply a matter of vanity to make a thorough list. Such a list would play an important educational role, in fact. Gregapan (talk) 04:00, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Another issue: "Ainoko, however, encountered social problems such as poverty, impurity and discrimination". "Impurity" is not a "problem". It is a perception. The problem is the perception, which itself leads to the discirimination and the poverty. The sentence muddles that completely. If no one objects, I'd like to rewrite it. Gregapan (talk) 04:04, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

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Hiro Hamada

Hiro Hamada should be on that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.86.92.65 (talk) 19:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Hatnote for the video game player

Bringing the edit conflict between Artanisen and myself here rather than continuing to revert. There has previously been a hatnote link to Hafu (video game player) on this page, which Artanisen has removed, claiming it is advertising or self-promotion, whereas I believe it should be retained.

Can you please explain your reasoning in a bit more depth, Artanisen? What is it about this particular situation that makes you think that our guidelines for hatnotes shouldn't be applied here? As far as I can see, the guidelines are clear, and there should be a hatnote here. If the video game player is deemed notable enough for us to have an article about her, then we should be having the hatnote as a navigation aid for people trying to find the article about her. (And if she isn't sufficiently notable, then the article about her should go to WP:AFD or other standard deletion channels.)

Also, for complete clarity and avoidance of doubt, I am in no way affiliated with the video game player, am not attempting to advertise or promote her. Lowercaserho (talk) 14:51, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

She uses the nickname "hafu" but she's not half Japanese and is not biracial either. She's also not famous enough to put it in the top of the "hafu" page. Most people who search for "hafu" look for information about half Japanese people. So I added a link to the "See Also" page for the streamer instead which is sufficient. Otherwise a disambiguation page can be created: Hafu_(disambiguation). Artanisen (talk) 15:15, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't matter that the video game player is not half Japanese. Hatnotes generally serve to link to unrelated concepts that have the same name; e.g. Turkey (the country) has a hatnote linking to Turkey (bird), calf (juvenile cattle) links to calf (leg), etc. As an example of a link to a more obscure article, Aberdeen has a hatnote linking to Aberdeen City (band). Yes, most people searching for "hafu" are probably looking for mixed race people with one Japanese parent, which is why the term redirects here. However, some people are probably looking for the video game player, and the hatnote serves as a navigational aid for those people. The idea behind having hatnotes at the top is to make navigation quick and obvious, rather than having to scroll down to the "see also" section. With regards the possibility of a disambiguation page, that's generally not desirable in cases like this where there are only two topics being disambiguated, with one of them being the primary topic; see: WP:TWODABS. Lowercaserho (talk) 16:01, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

The point is its unrelated to the theme of this page and she's not famous enough to necessitate a hatnote in the top of this page. There are also people who search for "Hafun" and stumble upon this page. There could also be pages about Hafu the film and Hāfu2Hāfu. Also her channel name is "itsHafu" not hafu. Best is to make a disambiguation page for "hafu". (Artanisen (talk) 18:52, 25 August 2019 (UTC))

And my point is that it doesn't matter that it's not related to the topic of this page. That's the point of hatnotes. They're meant to point to pages that are unrelated. I also don't see why it matters how famous she is or isn't. If she's notable enough to have an article, then that's sufficient. If we have an article at all, then people searching for it should be able to find it easily. And yes, there potentially could be other articles created that could reuire a disambiguation page in the future, but none of them currently exist, and we don't make disambiguation pages for articles that don't exist yet. Lowercaserho (talk) 19:29, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

I know what your point is. There are enough related articles with the term "hafu" or terms that could be confused with "hafu" to warrant a disambiguation page. (Artanisen (talk) 19:40, 25 August 2019 (UTC))

Since we don't seem to be getting anywhere in terms of reaching an agreement, I've gone and requested a third opinion. Lowercaserho (talk) 20:22, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

As explained, there are multiple articles with the word "hafu" and names that could be confused with that. So a disambiguation page is the best option. I've created that Hafu (disambiguation). (Artanisen (talk) 22:23, 25 August 2019 (UTC))

3O Response: A disambiguation page seems reasonable since it's also the name of a film. Are you sure the places listed are referred to as "Hafu" sometimes? But yeah, more generally, I'm pretty sure hatnotes for minor articles are standard on any page which counts as a WP:Primary Topic though I'll admit it bugs me too sometimes. ─ ReconditeRodent « talk · contribs » 22:04, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Ainoco

It says on the page that the term "ainoco" is used in Portuguese to describe people with one Japanese parent. I am a Brazilian person that has many close Japanese Brazilian friends, with some mixed and others not. I have never heard the word "ainoco" used in my life. The term "mestiço" is way more prevalent to describe people of mixed Japanese ancestry in my personal experience. 168.196.21.51 (talk) 01:22, 17 June 2023 (UTC)