Talk:Hardwired... to Self-Destruct

There's no single

Why is Lords of Summer listed as a single on this album? It is NOT even part of the album, its a track on the bonus disc that comes with the delux edition of the album. Please remove that song from the singles list or unprotect the page so people with common sense can fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:198:8001:281B:B089:D6C2:8F61:B6BA (talk) 20:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Stop the madness. Releasing a youtube video is NOT a single nor will it ever be. Term a new word if you have to acknowledge that at all. I repeat, it is NOT A SINGLE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.115.76.176 (talk) 18:20, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Plus, the news article on metallica.com stated it was CLOSE to 80 min, not OVER 80 min. Of course, close to 80 min fit on one disc, rendering the 2cd release pointless. Big difference to OVER 80 min, which REQUIRES 2 CDs (usually - 90 min is possible but with danger of skipping - see Load where they cut The outlaw torn a little bit to stay under 80 minutes). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.115.76.176 (talk) 18:22, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

It's been removed (was not discussed as to why it was added anyway), because I agree completely with what you're saying. However, what I don't get is why you're saying it'll creep over 80 minutes and therefore create two discs. The "close to 80 min" is on two discs anyway – six songs on each disc, if you have a look at the track listing section. "Lords of Summer", meanwhile, is on the deluxe edition (a third disc). But no, the page is not being unprotected anytime soon. 4TheWynne^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:56, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

It's Twelfth.

Garage Inc counts as studio album, of covers, at least primary disc. Also Lulu is a studio album as well, a collaboration of course, but it counts, just like Sunn O)))'s Altar, Terrestrials and the other one count as studio albums.

83.13.239.255 (talk) 17:38, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

I don't know why this argument is coming up, but no, they most certainly are not. I don't know why you would be making comparisons with other bands here. Garage Inc. is a cover album, while Lulu is a collaboration with Lou Reed, and cannot therefore be classed as a sole Metallica studio album. Therefore, I'm sorry, but you are sadly mistaken. Case dismissed. 4TheWynne^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:38, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

It's actually their 10th studio album. 4 in the 80s, 3 in the 90s, 2 in the 00s and this one in the 10s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.14.214.100 (talk) 20:31, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Hardwired 2-CD and Deluxe edition tracklisting fix

https://metallica.com/blog/news/429181/hardwired-to-self-destruct-available-november-18-2 The link includes tracklisting for the album including its deluxe edition. The tracklisting also shows that it's gonna be a double-CD album, something that you guys forgot to edit into the article. You probably known about it... but just making sure because I didn't see it edited into the article yet. Happy editing :D

MHawki (talk) 22:40, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Topher385 (talk) 03:18, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Writing Credits

According to the official Metallica website, "Hardwired" is credited to Hetfield and Ulrich. Browse Music -> Songs to verify. Blizk2 (talk) 10:23, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 19 August 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 August 19 § Hardwired... to Self-Destruct clearly indicates the omitted space was never intended. wbm1058 (talk) 13:17, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hardwired...to Self-Destruct → Hardwired... to Self-Destruct – Grammatically, there should be space after three periods. The page was unprotected yesterday and various user were "boldly" moving it from one name to another. – Retrohead (talk) 11:15, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Since there's been some move-warring going on, bringing this to RM, hopefully should settle this (permalink). — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 16:02, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

• @Retrohead: FYI — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 16:03, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you – I've been trying to figure out how to make a requested move like this for a while now. Yes, this is the title that I've been trying to move it to... funnily enough, though, I pre-ordered the deluxe edition of the album on iTunes a few minutes ago, and the album's listed as Hardwired...To Self-Destruct, which is the title that I moved it from yesterday. Don't know what to make of it, but regardless, I agree with the suggested title above. 4TheWynne^{(talk)(contribs)} 22:29, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Per WP:BANDNAME, prepositions shorter than five letters (such as to) are in small letters. I ordered a vinyl at Amazon, and as far as I can see there, the title is spelled as you pointed. By the way, thanks for starting this article. Judging by the first single, it's going to be a hell of an album.--Retrohead (talk) 09:03, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

That's what I thought, but the ellipses make it really confusing. Based on the spacing, the next word could be considered starting a different sentence or not. Starting a sentence would require capitalization regardless. Also, if the ellipsis is simply to denote a pause (as probably with this title) it wouldn't be a new sentence. But if the ellipsis is supposed to represent the fading off of a different sentence than the following words, then it would be a new sentence. However, I'm not completely sure if that's correct, so don't take my word for it. --Bigmoe797 (talk) 2:08, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

You people are arguing over a space. What difference does it actually make? You'll know what the article is for regardless if there's a space or not. Also there's no space on the cover and if you want to be 100% accurate then it should be in all capitals as that's how its written on the cover therefore that's the correct title. xD — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuddenDeth (talk • contribs) 15:00, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

We're not arguing, we've all agreed that space is needed in the title. And no, it shouldn't be all in capitals because it should be according to the grammatical rules.--Retrohead (talk) 17:18, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

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"Lords of Summer" – first single or not?

Hey guys. Just thought I'd bring up a contentious issue while we're here. SuddenDeth has maintained ([1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]) that the song "Lords of Summer", which was released as a single in early 2014 and included on the deluxe edition of the album, is the album's first single. I just can't fathom how this could true, particularly as it was two years apart. Could someone else please look into this (Binksternet, Sergecross73 or Retrohead, maybe)? Thanks. 4TheWynne^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:15, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

If it's on the album then it's a single for the album. It doesn't matter how long before the album the single came out. The fact it's on the Deluxe Edition means that's it's part of the complete album. Standard Editions being the non-complete form of an album. "Hater" by KoRn is listed as a single for "The Paradigm Shift" despite it only being on the World Tour Edition. "Piss" by Pantera was a single for the reissue of "Vulgar Display of Power" and was used to promote the new complete version of the album. So why is it a different story with Metallica? It's like different rules apply to different band's wikipedia pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuddenDeth (talk • contribs) 22:56, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Deluxe editions aren't "the complete album" and standard editions aren't "the non-complete form of an album". Deluxe editions are just albums which contain extra material, and this doesn't just apply to albums – it could apply to anything. "Lords of Summer", in this instance, is considered extra material, otherwise it would have been on the album proper. If it isn't on the album proper, and it's just on the deluxe edition of the album, how can it be considered the first single from the album (again, considering that it was released more than two years ago with no connection to the album at the time)? We're not trying to make comparisons here – this is about Metallica and their new album, not Korn or Pantera – and they could be going about this differently. 4TheWynne^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:10, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Also, why are you changing the track names? Just leave them the way they were in the article by Metallica on their website. 4TheWynne^{(talk)(contribs)} 00:02, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Comment Not a single from the album in my opinion, since it's not on the standard edition of the album.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 23:29, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

look at 5fdp's Got Your Six, i apologize is also not on he standart edition, but counts as an album single, so i would say los is the first singel from hardwired...tsd Norschweden (talk) 16:24, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

As I have maintained before, this article is about Metallica, not other artists or bands. If "Lords of Summer" was released more than two years prior to the announcement of the album, with no connection to the album at the time, you can't say that it's a single from the album all of a sudden just because it's included in the deluxe edition of the album. You will need to find reliable sources explicitly stating that "Lords of Summer" is the first single from the album (and thus, that "Hardwired" is the second) for it to be included in the singles list on this article. Listing it for no other reason is simply incorrect. 4TheWynne^{(talk)(contribs)} 22:39, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes this article is about metallica, but metallica is a band like the others too and no special subject, so we should do it here like we do it at the other article. "was released more than two years prior to the announcement of the album, with no connection to the album at the time" that is wrong, they announced to make a new album in 2012, and about the connection only lars knows about how much it is connected, but its on the album so its somehow connected and an album single. you asked here if its a album single or not and two guys say clearly yes it is, and one says in his opinion not. if you aks something, dont be angry when the answer is not what you want Norschweden (talk) 23:09, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

No, I am referring to the announcement of the title, release date, tracklist and artwork, two weeks ago. "Lords of Summer" isn't on the standard edition of the album, therefore how can you say that it's an album single when you're only citing one or two examples? Aside from the fact that you've overlooked another editor who left a comment supporting my view, this does not come down to a vote. Discussions like these never do. 4TheWynne^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:23, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Its no voting, but im not the only one, who answerd your question this way. because this two examples show how this gets handeld everytime. and btw an album exists usualy before the announcement, sometimes many years before Norschweden (talk) 00:16, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2016

There has been an update for the tracklist of the third disc of the deluxe edition:

1. Lords of Summer
2. Ronnie Rising Medley
3. When a Blind Man Cries
4. Remember Tomorrow
5. Helpless (Live at Rasputin Music)
6. Hit the Lights (Live at Rasputin Music)
7. The Four Horsemen (Live at Rasputin Music)
8. Ride the Lightning (Live at Rasputin Music)
9. Fade to Black (Live at Rasputin Music)
10. Jump in the Fire (Live at Rasputin Music)
11. For Whom the Bell Tolls (Live at Rasputin Music)
12. Creeping Death (Live at Rasputin Music)
13. Metal Militia (Live at Rasputin Music)
14. Hardwired (Live in Minneapolis)

Chris P. the Guita (talk) 18:39, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

References

Done By 4TheWynne I believe. Mlpearc (open channel) 02:11, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Ha! I didn't even see this – I updated the tracklist because it came through on my email. 4TheWynne^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:30, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2016

"Moth Into Flame" is 5:50 long.

Chris P. the Guita (talk) 09:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. KGirlTrucker81 ^{huh? what I'm been doing} 10:31, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

References

Title confusion

How come theres a lowercase t in the album's title? When I looked on the iTunes page, to had a capital t.S hannon434 (talk) 01:07, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't think it really matters if it's uppercase or not, it's still the same album. Also, it was reverted by someone so that means it's invalid. I appreciate you posting on the talk page though. Wikipageedittor099 (talk) 18:10, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

only thrash metal?

Most of the songs are slow and Doomy, how can it be only Thrash metal and not Heavy metal too? GREYBOYY (talk) 15:38, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Spain

According to Promusicae site, Hardwired was certificied gold, but the number 1 is Vanesa Martin (don't know who is her). Why? Her album wasn't certificied. Progenie (talk) 18:46, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Correct title?

I understand that in English, there should be a space after three dots. However, what if Metallica wanted it to be written with a deliberate mistake? Look at their page: https://metallica.com/releases/albums/4878/hardwired-to-self-destruct and look at the cover art. There were some cases of deliberately incorrect titles in poetry, in music. So, maybe it's that case here? RoclorD (talk) 00:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

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Now That We're Dead

I think we should list said song as a single, seeing that it's reached #2 on the Mainstream Rock chart, and is listed as a single by these sources. Daerl (talk) 01:43, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I know in the back of my mind Metallica intended for this to be a single, and I think it should be, but I don't know what the heck I know about Wikipedia's rules on this with the sources you've given. Anyone else? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 01:44, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

A separate page should be created for the song and have the sources listed there (like for the other singles) – once that's been done, then you should be all good to add it to the infobox like so many others before now have tried to do. 4TheWynne^{(talk)(contribs)} 01:52, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Further, considering that a page exists (which I didn't realise), now you just need to find out the single release date – the two music videos' release dates wouldn't be it, I'd imagine. 4TheWynne^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:02, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

As I know, the song was released to radio on April 18, 2017, according to AllAccess, but that site changes weekly so I can't cite that. Will try to find a source if I can. Daerl (talk) 08:51, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Scratch that, I found the source here. Daerl (talk) 08:53, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

No worries – I've added the song here and at the "Atlas, Rise!" article, and fixed the lead (with the source you've provided) at the "Now That We're Dead" article. 4TheWynne^{(talk)(contribs)} 09:52, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

References

Spit Out the Bone

Like "Now That We're Dead" earlier, this is going to active rock radio tomorrow, November 14. Can we add that to the main article and infobox as a single? Daerl (talk) 13:00, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

References

Remember Tomorrow

Does anyone have any background regarding the recording of "Remember Tomorrow" on the deluxe edition? I ask only because the other songs have some background listed. Also, I wonder what, if any, reaction Iron Maiden had to this full cover? I ask this because there's an entry on the WP page for Garage, Inc. regarding a bit of good natured back and forth between the two bands. I submit that this was a straight up, respectfully done, cover of an outstanding Iron Maiden song, so there shouldn't be any negative reaction. Cheers! FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 19:54, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Deluxe edition cover

It has a different cover from the usual edition - should this not be documented in the infobox? - 2A00:23C8:6802:D200:C001:4D64:CC07:557C (talk) 15:13, 15 August 2020 (UTC)