Talk:Hermann Heights Monument

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"The statue is named for the victorious German general Arminius, whose name is germanicized to Hermann."

Umm, backwards I suspect. The German tribal leader Hermann's name was Latinized to Arminius

No, the original name of "Arminius" is unknown. Only Roman sources exist, using the latin name Arminius. The "re-germanicized" name "Hermann" was rarely used before the 19th century - Best regards, Hansi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.253.211.143 (talk) 13:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- GERMAN not the same as GERMANIC - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.39.60.133 (talk) 10:43, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

INCORRECT NAME

The name of the monument is HERMANN HEIGHTS MONUMENT. Herman the German is a nic-name and not widely used. It should be relabeled with the correct name.

Agreed. Any objections to moving it? mitcho/芳貴 09:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

I have started the request to move process, requesting the page moved to "Hermann Heights Monument." mitcho/芳貴 21:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that Hermann Heights Monument is a better name for the monument page -- but I have reverted ~~your~~ Belazzur's cut and paste move. It is important to keep the edit history of an article with the article. BTW, Herman the German should probably be a disambiguation page, there I always thought of Arminius as "Herman the German" -- and there is a movie with that name about Arminius. And there is also some music-related person who calls himself that (though I've no idea how well-known he is). older ≠ wiser 02:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It would at least more clearly be an article about the monument there, and then the other meanings could live here. Such a disambig should definitely include Arminius, in my opinion. My old German teacher only ever used the name Hermann the German for Arminius; I never found out it was a modern invention until I looked him up here. It is a rather more compellilng and memorable name. — Laura Scudder ☎ 15:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, Laura, this page can stay as a disambiguation page for "Herman the German" and its many references. mitcho/芳貴 17:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The name clearly has to change at least to fix the spelling. Hermann Heights Monument seems like a good choice; out of curiosity do you have any evidence that it is more commonly used than Hermann the German (correctly spelled)? It might not matter, but it would be useful to know... --Cheers, Komdori 17:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I actually have no idea why the article's at Herman instead of Hermann except perhaps that Herman is a more traditional American spelling, but that's not sufficient. A lot of the various other uses certainly favor the former. I do think all the spellings should live together at the same disambig page, but I'm not positive where that page should be. — Laura Scudder ☎ 20:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed from Herman the German to Hermann Heights Monument as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 17:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Direction of gaze

The article refers to "Hermann's westward gaze ..." I believe the statue is actually situated such that its gaze is eastward, or perhaps north-eastward. The article also refers to another statue atop a nearby cathedral, but I can't comment on the direction of that statue's gaze.

Rogpearson (talk) 23:27, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The statue faces northeast. The head may be turned slightly to its left, which would make its "gaze" north-northeast, not west. Jonathunder (talk) 03:44, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

Can we get a photo of the statue that shows Hermann's front side? It seems unusual for a notable statue to be depicted only from the rear. If I weren't 2500 miles away I'd try to snap one. Help, anyone?

The monument stands almost at the edge of a steep hill, so it's hard to get a good shot of his front. Jonathunder (talk) 23:36, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have a few photos, but unfortunately, they're directly beneath the tower. It's difficult to get a good photo of him. You might be able to get something with a telephoto lens from a ways away, but I haven't found many good photos of his front. Dode222 (talk) 10:17, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Folly

I just read the Folly article - I didn't know that so formalized a definition existed. I'd value your input - should the Hermann Heights Monument be categorized as a folly?Brain Rodeo (talk)