Talk:Hijaz Mountains

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Could this also be the "Hejaz Mountains"? ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 00:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Sarawat vs Hijaz?[edit]

The Hijaz Mountains says it is "part of the Sarawat Mountains" and the Sarawat Mountains says it is "part of the Hijaz Mountains". Which is it? Caleb Stanford (talk) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems the usage is not quite fixed. This PDF from GEO Mountains shows the Sarawat Mountains extending along the west coast of the Arabian Peninsula from Yemen to Jordan. On the other hand, UNESCO has the following:

A virtually unbroken escarpment, known as the Arabian Shield, runs the entire length of the peninsula along the Red Sea. The stretch from the Gulf of Aqaba to the middle of the Peninsula’s coastline, a few kilometres south of Makkah, is called the Hijaz Mountains (Al-Ḥijāz, meaning “the barrier”), the more elevated basaltic stretch southwards to the southern tip of Yemen is known as As-Sarawat (the chain in Arabic). The lower range which borders the Red Sea declines abruptly to form an extensive coastal area called Tihama.

I haven't found a really definitive description. Our article on Sarawat Mountains focuses on the southern mountains in and around Yemen, while Geography of Saudi Arabia (which naturally does not include Yemen) groups the northern chains (Midian, Hijaz, and Asir) under the rubric "Sarat Mountains" -- Sarat being ~~an older~~ the singular form of Sarawat. -- Elphion (talk) 22:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fascinating. Thanks for the research into this! Let me know if you find anything else or if you can think of a plan for how to proceed in this case to clarify both articles. I am not sure what is most consistent with WP standards, just pick one definitive reference and stick to it? Explain the disagreement in both articles? Caleb Stanford (talk) 06:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I have found an official source - The Saudi Arabian Government - to confirm the entire range is referred to as Sarawat: https://www.stats.gov.sa/en/page/170

"The Tihama coastal plain which lies along the Red Sea, is 1,100 kilometers long, 60 kilometers wide in the south and gradually narrows to the north until it reaches the Aqaba Gulf. To the east of this plain, lies a chain of mountains called Sarawat. These mountains rise to 9,000 feet in the south and gradually fall to 3,000 feet in the north. Several large valleys slope eastward and westward from these mountains. They include Jazan valley, Najran valley, Tathleeth valley, Bisha valley, Himdh valley, Rumah valley, Yanbu valley and Fatima Valley. "

However, I have only ever seen North of Makkah referred to as Hijaz, and it is very different from the Asir that runs south from Taif. PerryVerse (talk) 20:54, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good find (though I'd feel better about it if it were a bit more professionally maintained). I also checked the online Britannica, which knows nothing of "Sarawat" or "Sarat". Most of our sources (including Britannica) agree that the Hijaz mountains run from Jordan to around Mecca, where the more rugged Asir take over. Britannica's map shows the Asir staying strictly north of Yemen. Britannica provides no collective name for the mountains of Yemen. (Britannica refs: Arabia Asir) From our article Sarawat Mountains I get the feeling that "Sarawat" originally referred to the primarily basalt mountains in and around Yemen. ("Sarat" might have been a singular name referring to a single mountain in that area?) The Times Atlas of the World shows a "Harrat as Sarat" between Sabya and Najran just north of Yemen. The plural form has evidently been generalized to refer to the entire chain along the Red Sea. But I would like to see a reference describing that evolution. -- Elphion (talk) 00:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]