Talk:Hurricane Lili (disambiguation)

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Requested move 22 August 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Discussion for moving the Hurricane Lili (disambiguation) article can continue in a separate forum, or be done WP:BOLDly. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 02:19, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

– Hurricane Lili (disambiguation) is not a disambiguation page: it is a {{storm index}} (i.e. a set index article). The storm index should be moved to the base name. The resulting redirect Hurricane Lili (disambiguation) can continue to point to the storm index as a "disambiguation-like" page (or it may be better to fix incoming links and move the page without leaving a redirect). Consequently the article about the 2002 storm should be moved to Hurricane Lili (2002). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose. Lili in 2002 was retired. Retired storms get the article title without the year in parenthesis. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 11:49, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hurricanehink mobile: so where do you suggest Hurricane Lili (disambiguation) moves to? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:00, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - For now, I don't think the article should be moved. Eventually, it should be moved/merged into a List of named storms (L), as Jason Rees mentioned below. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:09, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose 2002 title is clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, even a Dab page is a storm index. 114.125.244.88 (talk) 12:51, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- A disambiguation page and a storm index are not the same. A disambiguation page is an aid to navigation and lists only the titles of articles that might otherwise be called "Hurricane Lily". A set index article contains additional information, which is the case here. A page can't be both. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:00, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy move Hurricane Lili (disambiguation) → List of hurricanes named Lili and delete the incorrect (disambiguation) redirect. Storm indexes that aren't at the base name are titled as list articles. -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:14, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to and create List of named storms (L) which has to be better, than all of these stubby disambiguation pages which do not always contain the correct information or even better merge it with Lili (disambiguation). Jason Rees (talk) 17:46, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- List of named storms (L) is also not a disambiguation page so not a good target for a title that claims to be one. -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:40, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - @JHunterJ: Well we could move the content to List of named storms (L) and add the barebones of each system to Lilly.Jason Rees (talk) 20:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The retired hurricane is the primary topic. Rreagan007 (talk) 23:42, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Rreagan007: so where do you suggest Hurricane Lili (disambiguation) moves to? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:00, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- Shhhnotsoloud - Draft:List of named storms (L)? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:44, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment see also Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Archive 35#Category:Set indices on storms and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Archive 39#Set indexes redirect to List of named storms (U–Z) where this has gone around before. -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:44, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @JHunterJ: You'll forgive me for not unearthing that 4-year old discussion. I therefore agree your move. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:54, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Absolutely. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:15, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - See also a proposal to merge the roughly 600 disambiguation pages that aren't really disambiguation pages, and maybe they've broken the rules for like 10 years, so let's just put them all into lists by letter. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Same comment as Rreagan007. Regards, 👦 15:14, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. If a name is retired we don't add the year afterwards. Felicia (talk) 15:07, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. The name was retired so why are we changing the name here?ChessEric (talk) 23:57, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

stronger oppose' ' 'nah cause storms that were retired in that year don't get (1921) ex. Hurricane Irma , ex. Hurricane Harvey HurricaneLaura2020 (talk) 21:36, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@Shhhnotsoloud, JHunterJ, Hurricanehink, Rreagan007, ChessEric, and HurricaneLaura2020: As you may have seen already, I have boldly decided to merge the contents of Hurricane Lilli with Lilli, as i dont see why we need a seperate disambiguation page for the storms.Jason Rees (talk) 10:48, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A perfectly acceptable approach. I've edited both the disambiguation page for disambiguation style (commas, one blue link per entry, alpha sections, etc.) and also the redirect for {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. If the storms project is good with this approach too, I think we're set. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:32, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jason Rees: Except it's the wrong page: it should be Lili (disambiguation) not Lilli (disambiguation). Oops! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:16, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Shhhnotsoloud: Ok well I blame the L's!.Jason Rees (talk) 12:25, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Make sense I guess. LOL!ChessEric (talk) 18:44, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]