Talk:Hurricane Tomas

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St. Lucia[edit]

There were reports of possible casulties last night from St. Lucia, but very few reports have come out of the country and severe damage of a possible low-end cat. 2 were reported. Reports included a bridge collapse and cars on and underneath the bridge, a bus fire, and others. Stay tuned (check Google news in the meantime). ~AH1(TCU) 13:39, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Casualties update! 14 are now said to have died, which is an update of 2 on the previous figure for such calamities. Hope this helps, it's already added [1].--Zucchinidreams (talk) 19:43, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Ireland[edit]

Hurricane Thomas has also been reported in the news as having it's tail end hit Ireland on Sunday 7th evening And Monday 8th morning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Resitate (talkcontribs) 15:51, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Tail end? That would be behind the storm, besides, the center of the storm is forecast to remain near the Greater Antilles for the next four days. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 20:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Unnofficial storm death toll compilation[edit]

Hurricane Tomas' path affected the Lesser Antilles, the ABC islands and Haiti directly; however there are many other countries impacted by Tomas. Here is a partial list of the confirmed toll, and an explanation for each of the indirectly-affected countries.

Direct
  • St. Lucia: 14 killed [2][3]
  • Curaçao: 3 killed (Dutch sources)[4][5][6]
  • Haiti: 7 killed (including the mayor of one town[7]), 2 missing[8][9]
Indirect
  • Guyana (rains from the outer bands of Tomas shortly after the tropical storm was first declared by the NHC hit the northern coast of the country when a bus crash occurred on October 29): 12 killed[10]
  • Colombia (some convection from the outer bands of Tomas may have contributed to ongoing flooding in the country's north coast, facing the Caribbean, as some deadly floods occurred in November while the flooding from Nov. 2 - 5 appear to have been triggered by Tomas' heavy outer rainbands): Uncertain; most likely close to 40 killed[11]
  • Costa Rica (a series of landslides triggered by heavy rains resulting from the combination of a trough in the process of absorbing Tomas, the outer bands and outflow of Tomas and moisture moving over mountanous regions from the Pacific into the Caribbean): 23 killed, 15 missing[12][13][14]
  • Panama (flooding from a combination of Tomas' outer convective bands and Pacific moisture): 2 killed, 1 missing (source in Spanish)[15]
  • Cuba (the crash of Aero Caribbean Flight 883 in Cuba occurred after the plane left Haiti prior to the approach of Tomas, and it landed in southeastern Cuba being the last plane to leave the area just as the airport was being closed due to the hurricane; outer rainbands and turbulence from the storm and trough likely impacted the area that the plane was flying over at the time but it is unknown whether the hurricane played any direct role in the crash): 68 killed[16]
Unnofficial totals
  • >24 direct, ~145 indirect, 18 missing.

~AH1(TCU) 17:51, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Just letting you know, as far as I can tell, the plane crash doesn't seem to be due to Tomas. Residents saw it on fire before it crashed, which would lead to the cause more likely being engine failure. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 20:07, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Is it known as of yet what actually caused the engine fire? The plane was leaving Haiti and southeastern Cuba when the outer bands of Tomas started coming in, and for all we know the fire could have been started by a lightning strike. ~AH1(TCU) 20:46, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Haiti[edit]

There should be something about how this affects the 2010 Haiti earthquake#Recovery and 2010 Haitian cholera outbreak in this article and/or those. 76.66.203.138 (talk) 04:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done for the cholera outbreak, the earthquake can be added if an RS links the two, otherwise it would be synthesis.Lihaas (talk) 17:34, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
That should be easy to find, the TV talking heads are linking the two quite a lot. 76.66.203.138 (talk) 18:32, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Costa Rica[edit]

if NASA stated that the cause of the flooding rains in costa rica were due to a trough rather than hurricane tomas, it should not be included in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.244.148.235 (talk) 20:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC) also, there is no mention of tomas's impact on the Bahamas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.244.148.235 (talk) 21:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

IMO, the casualties toll and damages from the trough should be included as an indirect effect of Tomas, and at least briefly mentioned in the article. The reason is that the trough only produced the flooding in Panama, Costa Rica and Colombia as a result of the outflow of Tomas and some associated convection, as well as moist air rushing in from the Pacific aided by Tomas' winds. Meanwhile, the info on the Bahamas could be added from an adequate news source. ~AH1(TCU) 23:57, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Also, this is the same trough that picked up Tomas from a region of weak steering currents and turned the storm to the northeast, and it was already interacting with Tomas when the flooding occurred. ~AH1(TCU) 23:58, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Landfalls?[edit]

I don't think the article says this, granted I didn't read too closely, but I was just curious where the system officially made landfall. I believe one of the Antilles, but I think it threaded the needle through Haiti and Cuba, which would be amazing. Thanks. Winter123 (talk) 23:15, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Record[edit]

Per the best track on Tomas, it was one of only two Atlantic hurricanes known to reach tropical storm strength on 5 seperate occasions; the other time this happened was with Hurricane Kyle in 2002. Should this be mentioned in the article? Rye998 (talk) 02:48, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

No, Kyle was a TS five times after weakening to TD status. Tomas didn't do that. --Hurricanehink (talk) 03:02, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
It's extremely trivial imo.... Cyclonebiskit (talk) 03:02, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
What's the big idea if it didn't weaken to a depression and then became a storm again? It formed as a depression, then became TS Tomas (1st time), then it became a hurricane and weakened to a TS again (2nd time), weakened further to a depression, then became TS Tomas again (3rd time), then it became a hurricane and soon after that it weakened to a TS (4th time), and then it unexpectedly became a hurricane again and shortly after Tomas weakened to a TS again, for the 5th and final time. If a hurricane fluctuates in intensity, does it matter if it went up or down? Even if Tomas was a tropical storm out of weakening from a hurricane, or strengthening from a depression (twice), it still re-became a tropical storm either way. Is there any big problem with this? If so, what is it? I don't think this is trivial in any ways... A trivial record would be saying "Tropical Storm Alma was the shortest lived storm to be retired"(that discussion happened before), but we don't put the emphasis on Hurricane Ivan as being the longest-lived retiree, so we shouldn't do that with the shortest-lived retiree either. However, Hurricane Allen is mentioned as only one of 2(3 if you include Ioke) category 5 hurricanes to reach that strength on 3 seperate occasions, so why can't we mention Tomas as being only the second hurricane to reach TS strength on 5 seperate occasions? Rye998 (talk) 20:35, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Generally, storms "reach" TS status when they strengthen into a TS- not by weakening. --173.68.140.37 (talk) 01:25, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
That is me... — Iune(talk) 01:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Tomas is not the second. Ida 09 and Ophelia 05 both were TS's five different times. --Hurricanehink (talk) 06:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
If no one else thinks it's worth mentioning for that reason, then it shouldn't be. It isn't trivial, but I believe it is worth mentioning. If no one else thinks that, it shouldn't be mentioned. I do believe it is rare for a hurricane to become a TS on 5 occasions, but if anyone else only includes weakening to a TD and re-becoming a storm as such, then it shouldn't be mentioned. Rye998 (talk) 20:11, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Move without 2010?[edit]

Is there a need for the 2010 when its the only Hurricane Tomas? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.99.32.171 (talk) 23:46, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


No, one reason because yes, it is the only Hurricane Tomas, and also, because it has a good chance for being retired. I wouldn't say Tomas has the best chance for retirement considering the fact that Hurricane Karl was way more notable than Tomas. However, due to the heavy damage and deaths in St. Lucia and Haiti, the name has a good chance to be retired.--Ryder 03:53, 15 February 2011 (UTC) Ryder Busby (talk)

Sources[edit]

Rainfall: CMO, NASA

General reports:


  • St Lucia:



  • Haiti
  • Dominican Republic
  • Jamaica

Auree 10:06, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

http://www.ccrif.org/sites/default/files/publications/CCRIFModel_2010PerformanceReport.pdf Auree 18:47, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

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