Talk:I Will Possess Your Heart

Lyrics

They really aren't necessary, and not very relevant to the main subject of the article. I am taking them down, but a link to the lyrics will be included. Hakeem (talk) 05:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Media

I've yet to find a place to buy a physical copy of this disc. Maybe the media should be changed to .mp3 if no one has one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.101.183.79 (talk) 06:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Youtube Link

I've tried to post the youtube link but it keeps getting auto-deleted.. Watching it on youtube is a much better experience than dealing with the mtv.com video player, IMO. If anyone know how to get it to stick on the first page, here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pq-yP7mb8UE (it was officially posted by the band, its not just an MTV rip) JoeJoeJoeJoe (talk) 00:12, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia can link to copyrighted videos Antonio Lopez ^(talk) 00:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hold on I might be wrong since you said the band upload it. see WP:EL#Linking to YouTube, Google Video, and similar sitesAntonio Lopez ^(talk) 01:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Girl?

Can anybody find out who the girl in the video is? I can't find any information anywhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.130.225 (talk) 03:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Evan Rachel Wood. Waiting for a reliable source. TelecomNut ^(talk) 13:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Why is in the genre Emo??? thats shit

Who is the girl? A fan? A model? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.81.164.247 (talk) 20:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Release Order

It is claimed that KEXP in Seattle was the first radio station to play this song, at 11:45. The link http://www.kexp.org/playlist/playlist.asp?submitted=true&day=18&month=3&year=2008&hour=11 is Pacific Time (2:45 on the East Coast), approx. 1h11m after WBRU played the song. TelecomNut (talk) 13:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:I Will Possess Your Heart/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 09:54, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I'm MarioSoulTruthFan and I will be reviewing this article.

Infobox

• Needs alt  Done
• Needs border  Done
• from Album → Album Not done I'm not sure what you're asking for here

Remove the "from". MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:55, 14 June 2016 (UTC)  Done I didn't realize that it was in the markup and not in the visible text.

• Released → choose only the most recent date  Done
• Length → Same as previous  Not done The difference in length between the album and radio versions is notable

You are right.

• Should use "flatlist" for the labels.  Done
• Should use "flatlist" for the writers.  Done
• I don't see any citation/reference of the genre of this song.  Done

Lead

• This lead should be more comprehensive of the article, it should be a summary of everything.  Done
• I Will Possess Your Heart" is a 2008 song by American band Death Cab for Cutie → I Will Possess Your Heart" is a song recorded by American band Death Cab for Cutie.  Done
• that was the lead single from their sixth studio album, Narrow Stairs. → date of the album release between brackets after the album. Needs re-writing.  Done
• In 2011 Paste Magazine named the song one of "the 25 creepiest songs about love" → should also be below on the a sub-section under "Reception".  Done

Composition

• Section should be called "Background" or "writing and composition", something in this vein.  Done
• You need quote marks "" on the sentence by Ben Gibbar.  Not done Quotation marks are not used with blockquotes.

My bad, I didn't noticed it had blockquotes.

• Harmer himself said of the bass line → remove himself  Done
• You merged two sections "Composition" and "Background" into one, along with "Release". Is quite messy, needs some serious work here.  Done

Music video

• This section is just "huge" for this article. Take a look at the others paragraphs, this section is three times bigger the others. Not done This reflects coverage in the sources. I don't think this section goes into unnecessary detail.

It looks better after division of topics and paragraphs. Well done.  Done On second thought, some basic facts about the composition were missing, and I think that does count as a "main aspect" of the topic.

• travels, travels → choose other vocabulary. Trips instead, despite the words are relying upon the mean of transportation, be aware of that while re-writing. Not done This is a standard use of the word "travels".

I just inteded for you to use a wide variety of vocabulary. That is what I meant. Synonyms.  Done

• After each city you should have the country. → Everyone knows where "London" is, but I'm not so confident regarding "Phnom Penh".  Not done This would needlessly clutter the text. The map makes their location clear, and none of the article themselves even have the country in the article name.

Yes you are right.

• "The young woman was portrayed by Lindsay Burdge, who would years later become known for lead roles in several independent films such as A Teacher and The Sideways Light". → it didn't influence her choice for this music video since the movies all appeared later in her career. Not so sure why this is relevant for the article.  Not done She's notable mainly for what she did after this video; there's not reason not to include this fact.

So after she was featured in this video she was cast to those movies?

Correct. Most sources about her are in the context of those later films, and it was difficult finding a source that even linked her to this video.

• said, say, saying → You know what I mean with this. Not done Past tense is used consistently throughout. The single use of "saying" is a nonfinite verb clause, not present tense.

I jsut meat you need to use a wider range of vocabulary. Example replaced it by "confessing", "affirmed", "told"...and so on  Done Though I like to avoid using too many said-bookisms.

• Do you need all those cameras specifications?  Not done It was discussed in the source so I decided to include it, but if it really offends you (or the future reviewer) I could remove the exact camera names.

It will depend after a more careful read. Since the section suffered several changes.

• This section should be divided in divided "Background and concept" and "Synopsis".  Done

Reception

• Once again sections are mixed. → ""I Will Possess Your Heart" reached number six on the US Billboard Modern Rock Tracks, making it one of Death Cab for Cutie's highest charting singles to date." should be in chart performance a section that doesn't even exist here.  Done
• Those awards and prizes should be in a sub-section called "awards", "recognition" or "accolades".  Done
• Therefore the last paragraph should be on top here.  Done

Track listing

• The tracklists here appeared out of nowhere. References?  Done
• Divide them into two columns.  Done

Charts

• Should use "singlechart" table.  Done
• You need references for those peaks on the charts.  Done

References

• One dead link.  Done
• Some dates inconsistency. Example give: 15 Apr 2008 vs. 2008-04-12. Choose one.  Done
• Wiki link Billboard, Rolling Stone, Vulture and son on. Only link it once for each reference, the first time it appears.  Done
• Some references are in italic, while others are non-italic. Example give: MTV News. In this case is non italic.  Done
• HitFix → non italic.  Done

External links

• Fine.

Overall GA review

• This article makes me think that you have no idea the criteria needed to meet GA standards. I strongly advise you to look at others GA and FA articles for such.  Done
• Missing sections like those I mentioned above along with "Credits and personnel"  Done and "Release history".  Not done The initial release dates of the single and video are in the article. I don't think a laundry list of release dates in every country is really a "main aspect" of the topic.
• The band never performed the song live or this song was never covered?  Not done There are no live performances or covers that are have significant discussion in multiple sources. Given this, I again don't think that laundry lists count as a "main aspect".
• I have to fail this article, it's not even close to GA material. Please improve the article.  Done

I believe the quick fail is inappropriate, as according to WP:WIAGA it is only to be used "solely to deal with the occasional frivolous nomination... with a 'drive-by' nomination at which the nominator does not intend to respond to the review," and "in all other cases, the nominator... is given a chance to address any issues raised by the reviewer before the article is failed." The issues above are in actuality mostly minor textual revisions and requests for references that are quite easy to fix. I'd also like to point out that, with limited exceptions, MOS compliance is explicitly not part of the GA criteria. I will be implementing them in preparation for a new GA review. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 00:50, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

@Antony-22: You still know that I'm not obligated to give you time, regardless. It looks much better now, you can nominate it for a GA review and it will certainly pass. Would you like me to review it again or would you rather wait for another reviewer? (I won't fail it this time around). MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:02, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for being gracious, I appreciate it. I've finished the upgrades from this review. I'm happy for you to continue reviewing as long as you are mindful of the limits of the GA criteria. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 03:11, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Alright, nominate it again and I will take care of it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:31, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Nominated. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 02:04, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: I apologize, but I just reviewed the article. I didn't realize that you were planning on reviewing it again. I am truly sorry. Carbrera (talk) 03:26, 18 June 2016 (UTC).

@Carbrera: it's ok, your review it's not far from what I would have done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 09:31, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

GA Review 2

This review is transcluded from Talk:I Will Possess Your Heart/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Carbrera (talk · contribs) 02:41, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Infobox

• Please use a "flatlist" for the "Format" parameter of the infobox  Done

Lead

Paragraph 1

• "Paste Magazine" --> "Paste" (Still with the link please)  Done
• The mention of it being "named one of the 25 creepiest songs about love" should likely be in the second paragraph here, not the first  Not done This relates to the content of the song, which is discussed in the first paragraph; it is not an accolade, which are listed in the second paragraph. I've restructured it to make this clearer.

Paragraph 2

• What album the single appears from should be mentioned primarily in the first paragraph of the lead, not the second  Done

Writing and composition

Paragraph 1

• Reference #4 for the the block quote should be at the end of the block quote, not at the end of "He added:"  Done

Paragraph 2

• ""five minutes of build and then a three-minute song,"" --> ""five minutes of build and then a three-minute song","  Done
• "Like the other songs on the album"... What album? You haven't mentioned it yet; you should probably reword the statement to "Like the other song on Narrow Stairs..."  Done

Paragraph 4

• "It was released in two versions. The album version of the song is over eight minutes long, while the radio edit largely removes the instrumental introduction, shortening the song to four minutes.[6][7]" --> "It was released in two versions: the album version of the song is over eight minutes long, while the radio edit largely removes the instrumental introduction, shortening the song to four minutes.[6][7]"  Done

Reception

Paragraph 1

• Please add a lead-in/topic sentence to the first paragraph of this section  Done
• Who from MTV News said of the song?  Done
• Who from Rolling Stone "noted that the sense of menace in the song was...?  Done
• Who from Blender concurred?  Done
• "Paste Magazine" --> "Paste" (Still with the link please)  Done
• Who from Paste named the song...?  Done

Music video

Synopsis

• Is the map really necessary?
  • The map expresses at a quick glance the geographic diversity of the places visited and the distance involved, much more effectively than can be accomplished solely through text. I know it is unusual, but I believe it is justified in this specific case.

Filming

• The screenshot from the music video is a bit large; could you reduce the size please?  Done
• Remove the link to "Stable Song" as all it is is a redirect, and instead state what album the song was from  Not done As that song was a single it's likely notable enough for its own article; if that article is created, this link should go there rather than to the album article.
• Rest is really good!

Track listing

• Remove the "(AT0310CD)" and "(AT0310)" please from the release titles  Done

Charts

• It's good, but you need to use the chart format per Template:Single chart.  Not done It already uses Single chart templates except for the last entry, which must be done manually because the template doesn't have an option for that chart.

References

• Reference #19 - Discogs is an unreliable source  Done
• Reference #20 - Discogs is an unreliable source  Done
• Reference #21 - Discogs is an unreliable source  Done
• Reference #22 - Discogs is an unreliable source  Done

External links

• There's an actual pre-made format for official YouTube videos that you could use (Use 4 in the Morning for an example if you wish.)  Done
• Alphabetize the list of categories to the following please:  Done

• "2007 songs"
• "2008 singles"
• "Atlantic Records singles"
• "Death Cab for Cutie songs"
• "Songs written by Ben Gibbard"
• "Songs written by Chris Walla"
• "Songs written by Nick Harmer"
• "Songs written by Jason McGerr"

End of GA Review:

A good article with just some minor issues. On hold for seven days so you can make any changes to the article. Please @PING me here with any questions, comments, or concerns. Thanks again! Cheers, Carbrera (talk) 03:16, 18 June 2016 (UTC).

@Carbrera: Thanks! I've started implementing the changes. One question, what is considered a reliable source for track listings? Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 02:50, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

@Antony-22: You can use the release citation that I will demonstrate below:

I Will Possess Your Heart (Liner notes/ 7" Vinyl Cover). Death Cab for Cutie. Atlantic (Barcode: 75678-99387-9). 2008.{{cite AV media notes}}: CS1 maint: others in cite AV media (notes) (link)

@Carbrera: Well, I don't have access to the physical liner notes to verify the listings, so I'd need an online source. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 03:42, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

@Antony-22: All you need is the year of release, band, title of release, form of release, and the barcode (which is available in the Discogs source). Carbrera (talk) 04:38, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

@Carbrera: I mean, the track listings were here, unreferenced, before I expanded this article. If Discogs is unreliable, then I'd need to find another reliable source to verify the track listings. Amazon only has the US track listings so I'm going to remove the UK ones for now. Otherwise all the improvements are done. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 01:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

@Antony-22: But you could use the Discogs' barcode for a last resort. Carbrera (talk) 01:11, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

@Carbrera: I'm not going to cite a source I haven't seen myself... Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 01:20, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

@Antony-22: Are you done making changes? Lemme know so I can read the article over again. Carbrera (talk) 06:41, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

@Carbrera: Yep, done. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 04:39, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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