Talk:Input method

At Wikipedia, you can use Template:Hiragana or Template:Katakana to enter Japanese kana one at a time. It's tedious, but effective.

Click "edit" to see how the samples below were formed:

Hiragana MA = {{User:Ed Poor/hiragana|ma}}
Chiba = {{User:Ed Poor/hiragana|ti}}{{User:Ed Poor/hiragana|ba}}
Camera = {{katakana|ka}}{{katakana|me}}{{katakana|ra}}

I'm also working on a Javascript "Hiragana to romaji" converter. --Uncle Ed 16:03, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are two errors in the Japanese in the screenshot accompanying this article. Surely this is not supposed to be the case? What is writen is <コれわみずです> as opposed to the correct <これはみずです> (the first and third characters being incorrect). Perhaps this image should be replaced?--Printf("Sam") 22:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The author of the screenshot (who, according to his profile, doesn't speak Japanese) probably wrote "Kore" (with a capital K), resulting in コれ. Writing わ when it should be は is a mistake common among begginers. Also, the Mac OS X screenshot is in Dutch... lampi 20:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know. also Japanese people don't really use that character pad to type in.. it's really not reflective of what it really is. 71.128.143.13 07:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The OS X screenshot shows the character palette (which involves searching for each individual character you want to use), rather than the Kotoeri IME (which involves typing the syllables). Is the character palette also considered an IME? —Frungi 02:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Similarly, the Win XP screenshot suffers from the same problem. Also, no one would use a floating language bar like that, since it constantly gets in the way (everyone I know puts it in the taskbar, and removes the text along the icons). It has already been noted that these screenshots are misleading in that they could cause the reader to be misinformed of what using an IME is actually like, so I think I'll remove them. Shinobu 02:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed misleading paragraph

On Microsoft Windows, the IME model will eventually be replaced by the Text Services Framework. ^[1]

I have removed the above paragraph because it is misleading for non-technical people. And with non-technical I don't mean "bad with computers", but "not into advanced Win32 application programming". Shinobu 02:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Text Services Framework will eventually replace IME on Windows

Article-Title Hypenation

Shouldn't we be hyphenating "input method editor" since "input" and "method" both describe the kind of editor? I.e., it's not the input of a method editor, it's the input method of an editor! :-)

I added a redirect from input-method editor at least. —AltiusBimm 15:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inconvenience in IME at Wikipedia

I toss up the topics as FYI which is Resolution: WONTFIX with Bugzilla #13065. Please see the problem using IME, Wikipedia talk:Administrators#Request layout change on editing buttons.Thanks. --Namazu-tron (talk) 12:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to reproduce the problem. Shinobu (talk) 00:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Failed to reproduce the problem. Everything works as expected; the problem does not exist. Shinobu (talk) 00:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, Shinobu-san. I have tried on both Wikipedia:Sandbox and ja:Wikipedia:サンドボックス, but problem still produced or persist.
Step 1. Put sentence in the edit frame under "Editing Wikipedia:Sandbox".
Step 2. Put some comment or none in Edit summary, and having Cursor in Edit summary then press ENTER Key, it goes to Saving page, nothing changed in my trying.
Do you mean the problem solved by changing something ? Change or alteration should be done AFTER consensus of lot of Wikiedians. What I hope it is does not saving page in step 2, instead hope to go preview page or no action in editing.--Namazu-tron (talk) 01:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I here should summarize the topic "Inconvenience in IME at Wikipedia" is; All Wikipedian in any language edition and regardless use IME or implement on his/her PC, in step 2, Enter key saving page. The topics is whether this saving page reaction take place by Wikipedia is appropriate or desirable action or not. One opinion might be step 2 should not Saving page, instead, goes to preview at least (or no action) is preferable. Regardless use IME, Wikipedian make erroneously hit Enter key in Edit Summary. In Japanese (and some other language now and future) writing with use of IME or alike is mandatory on PC keyboard. Japanese letter is called full pitch (Fullwidth form, 全角) in horizontal in sentence, and numerals and alphabet is half pitch(半角). In mix of Japanese letters and none-Japanese letter in sentence, the upper left corner key "半角/全角" of Keyboard layout#Japanese is push-psuh action to switch full and half pitch. In curse of Japanese sentence editing, this push-push action is troublesome and most erroneously set for half and full pitch. The Enter key in IME has dual function, that delimit sentence exactly the same to English language and another is convert to Kanji from Hiragana or romaji typing. The later function, to hit Enter key, is take place many times in a sentence of mixed Japanese and numerals and alphabet, and un-intentionally hitting Enter key delimits it. This hit Enter Key goes go saving page in Edit summary as Bugzilla #13065 "13065 Pressing Enter in edit summary should not save the page". Desirable change on "Edit summary" is not only for Japanese edition, but also for all languages edition as far as preview is considered a priority than Save page.--Namazu-tron (talk) 02:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am well aware of the operation of an IME, as I have had to use it myself sporadically. (As an aside, my keyboard didn't come with all the extra keys, but the only one I've ever needed was "toggle conversion" which I mapped to F12, which no application I use seems to use for anything important.) The way you phrased your problem led me to believe that hitting Enter to convert kana to mixed kanji & kana caused the page to save or some similar problem instead of converting. This does not appear to be the case. If your problem is that pressing enter without text to convert saves the page, then I can only say that this is exactly what it should to, as most people prefer it that way and it is consistent with the behaviour of other web forms and application dialog boxes; making Wikipedia behave differently seems a bad idea to me. However, if you still want that functionality, you can write a user script that changes another button to the default or perhaps removes any default action. (I may even be able to provide you with some assistance there, if necessary.) If you desire the behaviour to be changed system-wide, which would seem to be the logical thing to do if you often experience erroneously hitting Enter without text to convert, you can map either "convert" or "enter" to some other key on your keyboard that you don't use for its current purpose. As I see it, this is not a Wikipedia problem, but a global design issue, that may or may not pose a problem to its users. I'm inclined to think that it doesn't, after all if it had done, one might expect the designers of the IME to have changed the keymapping in such a way that it doesn't. Shinobu (talk) 15:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IME Part of Speech dropdown translation

Today I wanted to add a word to the dictionary, only to find out that the Part of Speech dropdown was only partly translated. After looking up the terms I posted the result here: User:Gerbrant#IME_Part_of_Speech Maybe it is of some use to you, maybe it isn't. Shinobu (talk) 00:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move. JPG-GR (talk) 03:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Input method editor → Input method — Input method editor is a name that is fairly specific to the Windows platform. Most other operating systems call it "Input method" or other names as stated in the article. So I propose this article to be moved to a more platform-neutral name location. —Voidvector (talk) 06:34, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Sure, move the *NIX-specific portion to an "Input method" article and keep the Windows-specific information intact here. :) - xpclient ^Talk 13:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

How are IME created?

Are they hardcoded in the OS or is there a way to create a IME for a new language (perhaps in a similar way how new keyboard layouts can be done, like with MKLC ) ? --TiagoTiago (talk) 09:50, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Text Services Framework will eventually replace IME on Windows

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