Talk:Iraq War and the war on terror
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Proposed move
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was moved. While I agree with all the comments about quotation marks around the term, the opinion piece tenor, that it is a pov fork, and that the article itself has no place on Wikipedia, on the narrower question of the title the arguments in favor of moving it are conclusive. AfD, anyone? --regentspark (comment) 20:09, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Iraq War and U.S. Global War on Terror → Iraq War and the War on Terror – Several issues here: U.S. requires a definite article, War on Terror is the common name for the conflict, the U.S. is not the only belligerent. Yes, I understand this article is primarily about the U.S. side of the conflict but I don't see the need for two articles. Split in the unlikely event that it overgrows. Anyway, the proper name for such an article would be the U.S. in the Iraq War and War on Terror. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 05:20, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- By the way, this article could use a POV check. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 05:25, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Serious qualms about both existing and proposed titles. At the very least, "War on Terror" needs to be in quotes. It was always the cynical invention of GOP spin-doctors, and worked superbly well in convincing US taxpayers to pour about $10 trillion down the toilet—and ultimately to sacrifice the financial well-being of the whole nation. Let's not endorse the term as part of WP's narrative. I agree with MQ about the need for a POV audit on the article text, too. Tony (talk) 11:41, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Comment. I share Tony's unease. This reads like an opinion piece, not as a Wikipedia article. I consider any move premature until there is some clarity about its general status. NoeticaTea? 12:05, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Agreed with the above concerns: The whole "war on terror", just like "war on drugs", rhetoric is propaganda at its worst, that rational Americans feel to be manipulative and childish, just like most non-Americans do. And it's ungrammatical anyway: Terror is an emotion; the "war" is against terrorism, not terror; "war on terror" is a hickish, stupid-looking Dubya-ism, the more so when its capitalized as if it were an actual war. Then entire "war on" (vs. "war against") construction is itself yokel-speak. While the proposed Iraq War and the War on Terror would be a bit preferable to Iraq War and U.S. Global War on Terror in the sort term, and Iraq War and the war against terrorism twice improved further, I would prefer something like Iraq War and anti-terrorism campaign or something to that effect as the proper, long-term solution. However – and this seems like a serious problem – this appears to be a WP:POVFORK from Iraq War and arguably should be merged back into it. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ⊝כ⊙þ Contrib. 02:47, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- Comment: Uh, let's stay away from politics and attacking a certain belief and instead figure a proper title for this. Personal agendas should be pushed aside for the sake of a better encyclopedia. See: WP:ADVOCACY. The War on Terror is defined as a term used to combat terror around the world (based on our own Wikipedia article), so let's leave it with that. Srsrox (talk) 20:44, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
- It's not a personal agenda you see at all from these three editors: it's a knowledge of how neutrality works on en.WP. It's policy. I can link you to the relevant bits if you want—just leave a note on my talk page. Cheers. Tony (talk) 13:25, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- It's all good, just a friendly reminder! I want neutrality, and I'm just pointing out the wording for what "The War on Terror" is defined already here, which seems neutral to me.Srsrox (talk) 17:18, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
- It's not a personal agenda you see at all from these three editors: it's a knowledge of how neutrality works on en.WP. It's policy. I can link you to the relevant bits if you want—just leave a note on my talk page. Cheers. Tony (talk) 13:25, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support per consistency with the articles Iraq War and War on Terror. We could debate the latter term all day, but if you really think it's unfit for a title, take it up there. I'm also tagging this article for its essay-like tone. Deletion may be the best option (cf. WP:AND). --BDD (talk) 21:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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