Talk:Isabella, Countess of Gloucester

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Accusations that Hawise was a witch may be borne out by covert historical documents. I have been decoding the French Tapestries of the Lady and the Unicorn and seem to have come across her as a possible candidate co-schemer with Prince / King John over the de jure heirs Arthur and Eleanor of Brittany.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/ian_ison/Y%20Is%20I%20Web/la%20Dame%20à%20la%20Licorne%20Tapestries.html

There is no overt proof here, only circumstantial evidence and inferences drawn therefrom.

                                               210.50.72.35 04:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC) Ian Ison[reply]

I've read assertions that she would have recovered her earldom of Gloucester after the death of her nephew Amaury VI of Monfort, count of Evreux until 1195, between 1213 and 1214. See : Medieval Lands. What says the Complete Peerage on this ? --PurpleHz 00:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Queen of England

ODNB describes her as "queen of England, first consort of King John". Is there a reason to doubt this? John was crowned in May, and the marriage was not dissolved until August. Surtsicna (talk) 12:09, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. See Caroline of Brunswick, a similar case in some ways, who is described as queen. PatGallacher (talk) 12:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry

Hello, I suggest this ancestry of her:

Ancestors of Isabella, Countess of Gloucester (c. 1160–66 – 1217)^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]

16. William I the Conqueror of England^[3]^[5]^[8]

8. Henry I of England^[2]^[3]^[5]^[8]

34. Baldwin V of Flanders^[3]^[12]

17. Matilda of Flanders^[3]^[8]

4. Robert of Gloucester^[1]^[2]^[5]

18. Reginald Gay?^[2]

9. A woman from Gay family^[2]

2. William FitzRobert of Gloucester^[1]

20. Hamo Dapifer^[6]

10. Robert Fitzhamon,^[6] Lord of Gloucester and Glamorgan

5. Mabel FitzHamon of Gloucester^[1]^[6]

22. Roger de Montgomery, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury

11. Sybil de Montgomery

23. Mabel de Bellême

1. Isabella of Gloucester^[1]

24. Roger de Beaumont

12. Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester^[7]

25. Adeline of Meulan

6. Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester^[7]

52. Henry I of France^[13]

26. Hugh of Vermandois^[10]

13. Elizabeth of Vermandois^[7]

27. Adelaide of Vermandois^[11]

3. Hawise de Beaumont^[1]

28. Ralph de Gaël^[9]

14. Raoul II de Gaël^[9]

29. Emma de Guader, Countess of Norfolk^[9]

7. Amica de Gaël^[7]

Sources:

Bernard Burke, Ashworth P. Burke (1934). A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage. 1934
Marjorie Chibnall (1991), The Empress Matilda: Queen Consort, Queen Mother and Lady of the English, London, UK: Basil Blackwell ISBN 9780631157373
D. Crouch, "Robert of Gloucester's Mother and Sexual Politics in Norman Oxfordshire", Historical Research, 72 (1999) pp 323–332.
Hollister, C. Warren (2001). Frost, Amanda Clark (ed.). Henry I. New Haven: Yale University Press. ISBN 0300088582.
Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall. Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700: Lineages from Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Other Historical Individuals. 2008 ISBN 0806317523, ISBN 9780806317526

References

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Complete Peerage, v. III, p. 167.
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e David Crouch, Historical Research, 1999
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, pp 26, 32
^ Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 62, 118, 123, 156–157
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Oram, David, p. 10
^ ^a ^b ^c Hollister Henry I pp. 363-364
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 52, 58, 62
^ ^a ^b ^c Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 118, 123
^ ^a ^b ^c Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 62
^ Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 52, 62
^ Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 51–52, 62
^ Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 156–157
^ Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 62

Dmitry Azikov (talk) 01:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's excessive. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[<ref-1] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Complete Peerage, v. III, p. 167.

[Crouch-2] David Crouch, Historical Research, 1999

[<ref3-3] A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, pp 26, 32

[4] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 62, 118, 123, 156–157

[<Oram-5] Oram, David, p. 10

[<ref5-6] Hollister Henry I pp. 363-364

[<ref6-7] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 52, 58, 62

[<ref4-8] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 118, 123

[<1-9] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 62

[<ref7-10] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 52, 62

[11] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 51–52, 62

[12] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 156–157

[13] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 62

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