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old stuff[edit]

This article seems to be a little damaged, a few errors here and there, maybe someone should consider repairing it? Stevenup7002 (talk) 06:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

this article has more information about tusks than tusks does. - Omegatron 01:13, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)

Is there a reliable way to distinguish ivory from bone carved items? Bob Reichard,Westborough MA

Elk Ivory?[edit]

Elk supposedly have ivory teeth as well, and jewelry is made from it. I don't know enough about it to add to the article however. Someone may want to look into it. 74.211.30.145 (talk) 16:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

The following text regarding Elk Ivory was written and added by Gerard Kindt who has been making Elk Ivory Jewelry for the past 290 years at Teton Art gallery, jackson Hole Wyoming. Elk, cervus canadensis, are the only native north american land barren animal with ivory tusks. In the mastadonian period Elk large as their cousin the bison roamed our western plains. Elk, massive and strong had bodies built to survive intense climates. Thick, muscular necks supported the weight of large antlers, and two awesome ivory tusks looming from their top lip like deadly spears. The ice age melted and north american mammals genetically mellowed, the large ivory tusks receded in front of their eyeteeth. Elk Ivory was extensively used by many of the Native American Indian tribes. To Native Americans, wapiti means stamina. Ivory adorned every occasion, especially for women. Crow suitors supplied 300 ivories for a bride's wedding dress. Bridesmaids beaded ivories into concentric rows on the gown. Ivory trading by trappers and Indians was hot, ivory as important as horses or guns. Settlers in the high country in the late 1800s shifted the history of Elk and ivory trade forever. Migration routes were obstacle courses of fences, buildings and plowed fields. Tusks were popular for making rings and watch fobs and settlers made extra money selling legally harvested ones and tusks of winter kill. Supply increased as Elk, disrupted from migratory routes, starved due to poor winter range. Outlaws appeared, poaching Elk for ivories only. Known as "Tuskers" they built hideouts, a famous cabin was northwest of Jackson Lake. In 1905 Tuskers were such a problem that the Wyoming legislature set aside a portion of Jackson Hole as the Teton Game Preserve and banned hunting there, Elk still ruthlessly died at the hands of Tuskers. President Roosevelt put Elk ivory on prohibition in 1912 busting the tusk boom. Killing Elk just for ivory became a felony. Jackson Hole was a last stronghold for Tuskers. Congress eventually passed legislation creating the National Elk Refuge. The Jackson Hole herd is the largest in North America, Elk continue to roam ancestral territory. Thanks to strict regulations, licenses and citizens dedicated to wildlife preservation, elk ivory is again politically correct to wear.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.167.8.225 (talk) 21:22, 29 May 2015 (UTC) 

What is Ivory?[edit]

Ivory is from elephants, other such "ivory" from walrus etc is not true ivory. I removed such references 4.142.96.82 20:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)Eric

request[edit]

Where can I buy Real elephant ivory ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.150.57.130 (talk) 16:42, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

can somebody with knowledge please discuss the fake ivory on the market today as well as describe a technique of confirmation. --AlexOvShaolin 17:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

request[edit]

Where is the chemical structure of the Ivory and it's formula? This article doesn't meets minimum standards without it. 84.228.201.191 07:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC) Erez Weingarten

Japanese hanko industry?[edit]

This sounds like complete nonsense. I've never seen an actual hanko owned by anyone that was made of anything other than wood or sometimes plastic. I'm sure it's possible to have an ivory one custom-made for an exorbitant price, it's probably about as common as somebody in the West getting fitted with diamond-studded gold teeth. This comment sounds like typical anti-Japanese rhetoric, probably originating (ironically) in one of those countries where where they go around lopping off tiger penises to make magic potions.--220.29.92.30 (talk) 14:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on hanko but I do know that China and Japan are the primary sources of contemporary ivory demand. Ivory has become important as a class symbol. A better analogy would be some other common object in the west which could be made out of gold to imply affluence and sophistication. Gold wrist watches may not be the standard type of wristwatch but they are an option for those who can afford them and wish to put their wealth on display. Ivory is demanded as means to buy into social status for those gaining the means to do so.216.157.211.214 (talk) 03:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Although I've seen claims that certain numbers of ivory hanko are made in Japan (see here, for example: [1]), there is nothing to say that hanko are the primary source of demand for ivory. Such a ridiculous claim requires the burden of proof before being included. Kcumming (talk) 16:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Dentin is dentin, right?[edit]

So if we want to make ivory piano keys, couldn't we just use the teeth of horses and cows and whatnot? you'd probably have to use three per key, but there's no shortage of cows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 02:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

WP: Plagiarism[edit]

This text had been recently expanded with text copy-pasted bodily from http://www.bwsmigel.info/GEO.115.ESSAYS/Gemology.Ivory.html, with awkward links at the ends of the passages. I left a note with the editor responsible, but the text should eventually be paraphrased and sourced, or else removed. Best, Eliezg (talk) 18:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

New file File:Ivory and Carriers (relates to David Livingstone) by The London Missionary Society.jpg[edit]

Ivory and Carriers (relates to David Livingstone) by The London Missionary Society.jpg

Recently the file File:Ivory and Carriers (relates to David Livingstone) by The London Missionary Society.jpg (right) was uploaded and it appears to be relevant to this article and not currently used by it. If you're interested and think it would be a useful addition, please feel free to include it. Dcoetzee 00:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Rhinoceros?[edit]

An anonymous editor has added "rhino" to the lead. Are rhinoceros teeth ivory? I assume its horn is not ivory, but this should be clarified. Ecphora (talk) 03:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

"positive encouragement from comedians"[edit]

the article states ^that to be part of the cause of the increase in south african elephant populations. what exactly is meant by this? how do comedians encourage elephants to breed?· Lygophile has spoken 18:24, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Whoever edited that segment was likely referring to a celebrity endorsement of a wildlife charity similar to Pamela Anderson endorsing PETA or U2 endorsing Greenpeace. It was just poorly worded is all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.48.178.231 (talk) 02:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


EDIT: Some research turned up Stephen Colbert contributing to a Peta anti ivory trade expo that was held in Africa last year, I've gone ahead and fixed the entry, hope this resolves the issue —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.48.178.231 (talk) 02:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

· Lygophile has spoken 19:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

edit section hyperlinks.[edit]

why are all the edit this section hyperlinks all the way down by the references? makes it difficult to make edits.· Lygophile has spoken 11:46, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

This is in Firefox, yes? I think, it's to do with the way the pictures are placed, all at the start of the article. In IE it would be ok I think. Johnbod (talk) 14:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
i have IE. (too lazy to dl MF). am i the only one with this problem?· Lygophile has spoken 19:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
No, I have it too, but I do all the time now I mostly use MF; much less in IE. I too am too lazy to try it in the other one. Johnbod (talk) 01:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Much of the trade bit of this article is simply not true[edit]

Large culling operations - not true, ivory trade increased because of larger South African elephant populations - not true. Yes mechanised ivory hanko production was a major problem especially from Japan in the lead up to the CITES Appendix 1 listing. Nine year moratorium decided in 1989 - not true.

I'll try to improve this article with strong references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enviro2009 (talkcontribs) 11:43, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Ivory trade article now substantial[edit]

I've expanded the ivory trade article which makes the "availability" section of this rather poor and unsubstantial. Rather than re-edit this should much of it be deleted with a link to ivory trade?? (Enviro2009 (talk) 18:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC))

I've added a "main article" link but the length here seems about right. Touching up at similar length might be best. Nice expansion! Johnbod (talk) 19:43, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
OK Thanks - I'll tidy it up a bit tomorrow. (Enviro2009 (talk) 23:18, 28 January 2011 (UTC))

Joint Tube?[edit]

For real? I'm having trouble determining whether or not this is vandalism. This is going to need some clarification. I'm going to tag it up with a citation needed for now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unbal3 (talkcontribs) 00:30, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

chemical structure?[edit]

There reads: The chemical structure of the teeth and tusks of mammals is the same regardless of the species of origin.
Really? What is it then? That is not mentioned. 85.217.40.65 (talk) 19:09, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Obama Ivory Ban[edit]

This article should be updated to reflect the Executive Order issues by President Barak Obama which effectively bans the import, export, interstate trade, or sale of 'all ivory -- old and new; whether legally or illegally obtained -- in the United States. http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/16/strict-obama-administration-ivory-ban-infuriates-musicians/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2014/02/17/obama-administration-treats-antique-collectors-and-dealers-as-criminals-new-ivory-rules-put-elephants-at-increased-risk/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2014/04/15/obama-ivory-ban-traveling-musician-fearful-his-instrument-will-be-taken/ http://www.fws.gov/international/travel-and-trade/ivory-ban-questions-and-answers.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 22:38, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

The "controversy and conservation issues" section[edit]

This section includes some facts already mentioned in the "consumption before plastics" section that don't seem particularly relevant in the "controversy" section (for example, most of the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs). KaJunl (talk) 22:59, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Article has... "unusual" grammar.[edit]

I can't tell exactly why, but this article reads as if it was written by an (admittedly decent) ESL student. Am I the only person to whom it seems jarring to read? Something just seems "off" about it, but I can't put my finger on what, exactly.

Conservation Only?[edit]

There is most definitely more of a controversy than just regarding conservation. Elephants are amazing beings who are caring and highly intelligent. Whether they're endangered or not, to permit people to kill them for their tusks would be a disgusting outrage. Fire God Prime (talk) 21:48, 1 May 2015 (UTC)