Talk:Afro-Jamaicans

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Ethnic and racial?

"Both ethnic and racial genetic results are based on a low sample of 390 Jamaican persons and limited regional representation within Jamaica.[12]" What is race, in the context of human biology? There are no races of mankind, only ethnicities. The races of homo erectus were neanderthal man, denisovan man and sapiens - of which only sapiens survives. 83.84.100.133 (talk) 21:00, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

~~Disturbed by the Deuteronomy reference~~ So am I to believe that my ancestors have done some irreparable wrong and the black race, myself included, will be forever cursed? I went to the referenced scripture and was appalled to see th punishment for disobedience. This article states that all descendants of slaves will be subject to that type of hell on earth. I think it's BS and it's insulting.

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sofeyas (talk • contribs) 03:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Pointless article since the vast majority of Jamaicans are of African descent...

Historically Jamaica Mixed race populations are called Mulattoed, Coloureds and Brown which is the most common since other raced came after abolition and mixed with some Mulatoes and Persons of Colour( Quadroon, Mulattoes, Sambo) Brown is now mostly used. Only the USA had a 1 drop rule; why does Jamicans follow everyting racist Americans and self hating Blacks do? We have our own culture just like Latin America, Africa and other West Indian cultures that have their own definition of Mixed race, not White racist ideology and self hating Blacks. Creolehombre2 (talk) 21:29, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Please cite reliable published sources when changing cited content in articles. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 21:39, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

This article has many problems with it. Having said that, I agree with an above poster, who pointed out that this article is fairly pointless, since about 95% of Jamaica is made up of Afro-Jamaicans. To me, it makes more sense to have articles on minorities, such as Chinese-Jamaicans, Indo-Jamaicans, Lebanese-Jamaicans, etc. This article could be merged into a general article on Jamaica.Mikesiva (talk) 08:50, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Pointless article?

what are you talking about? the only thing thats pointless is you coming on here writing nonsense. don't make a fool out yourself, think before you write childish things like this. Cup22 05:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't try to insult me. I was just saying that I don't see much point in this page as the Jamaican population is mainly composed of persons of African descent, so this majority is most of the time is just called Jamaican. That's why you hardly hear anyone say "Afro-Jamaican" (this article was actually the first time that I had seen the word used!), while it is much more common for people to say "[insert nationality] Jamaican" for persons not of African Descent (who are ethnic minorities).

I agree i think this article is pointless. all the other groups are minorites. hence why they are there to teach people that jamaica has more than just "Black". and besides there is no need for this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.222.3 (talk) 15:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

This article should be deleted now... ElijahTM (talk) 15:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow. An article on an overwhelming ethnic group in Jamaica. This really is a pointless article because most Jamaicans are black so there practically is no notability in this situation. User:goolag (talk) 21:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.199.241 (talk)

The "Notable Jamaicans of African descent" bit made me chuckle, since virtually all notable Jamaicans are of African descent anyway! This is just as pointless as an article on notable white Americans, you wouldn't find an article detailing notable white Americans. And since Jamaica is actually blacker than the US is white, this should be removed now! ElijahTM (talk) 17:27, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

ElijahTM and 86.129.92.149

It's kind of sad to see people like ElijahTM and 86.129.92.149 who want to be spread their hatred and small mindedness on this page talking about how pointless this is to have Jamaicans of African descent on wikipedia. What is so pointless about mentioning the history of black Jamaicans who been in slavery for over 500 years of hell, huh? The childishness has got to stop now. And just because the blacks make up the majority doesn't mean they can't have their history told, what is wrong with you people? I'm jamaican american and i say this page should not be removed at all!!! Unknown789 (talk) 10:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

TO THE PERSON ABOVE blazeh blah. were not really in the mood to see another page like this similar to jamaican american or notable jamaicans. im jamaican and i dont see any use for this page. it should be deleted. and im not going to lie either its funny how when other ethnic groups in jamaica get their own pages some idiot goes and makes yet another page for the blacks knowing damn well that they are the major ethnic group of people and that everybody knows the friggin history already. like i said before nobody cares. shit like this pisses me off..... you think im hating NO i honestly think this page is just repetition. and if this page gets a deletion vote ill be the first one to vote it off. so there you go dont go saying that Elijah and 86.129.92.149 are small minded and childish because they see the same shit that i do. i bet you dont care for the other races in jamaica do you? i didnt think so. i cant stand pro black jamaicans yall make me sick. if black jamaicans excluding myself cared about others they wouldnt be in the mess that their in now.

Hi Mr. or Mrs. 208.192.179.150 aka I like to vandalize Wikipedia? are you done with the childish behaviour? if not THAN DON'T COME BACK WITH THE BULL SHIT!!! It seems that you have a serious problem you need to get some help before it gets any worse. I do care for other race in jamaica and the whole world. The question is do you care for other race in jamaica? if you do than i see no reason for you to say this page should be deleted than. you are just wasting your time and being selfish. I see that you like to vandalize other pages on wikipedia, I hope the administrator bans you form here for good. How dare you come on here and hype up yourself and writing all that ray ray ray and all that Fuckery huh? You should have respect for everyone's race gender heritage etc. And you call yourself a Jamaican,that's funny. A real Jamaican would have love to see this page. You can't call yourself Jamaican when you yourself say this page should be deleted. are a shame of being a Jamaican? you don't have the right to call yourself Jamaican anymore. How dare you? but I'd pray for because you really need it trust me you do. I don't think this page will ever get be deleted because #1 it has valuable source and #2 it talks about the rich black history of Jamaica. so you can get pisses off all you rass clot want, just let it go it's not that serious. the only person should be deleted is you 208.192.179.150. GET AN EDUCATION BECAUSE EDUCATION IS POWER!!!!! Unknown789 (talk) 06:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh boy First of all im using a public computer that anyone can use, so i dont vandalize anything.... if anyone is doing it.. its not me so dont say i vandalized anything. second of all ive said all that i needed to say and im sticking by it im not the one that needs help you do. its halarious when people think their soooo.. smart by telling others to get an education just to let you know im 19 and i graduated high school and im currently a CCMA if you know what that is. your one of those angry jamaicans that get mad when someone doesnt agree with you... how sad for you. but i will pray for you my dear.but if it makes you feel better im not an evil person just someone who see's things a little diffrently than you do. so to put an end to this cause this really is stupid arguing with someone who i dont even know. ill appologize to you even though i dont have to beacause i did not call you any vulgar names or cuss like you did. anyways ive changed my mind this page can stay i dont care for it anyways. although others might not agree to keep it.

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Afro or African?

I really do wish people would stop referring to Africans as Afro. Afro is a hairstyle or hair type, full stop! AfricanCaribb163 (talk) 19:38, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

I really do wish people would stop making pronouncements on Wikipedia about their own opinions on how they think words should be used, based on their own narrow experience, instead of actually learning about how words are used in the real world. - BilCat (talk) 20:31, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

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Planned Edits

ScienceStarboy (talk) 16:26, 2 April 2021 (UTC) will be sourcing the ORIGIN section as well as CULTURE section

What's next? Famous white Swedes in the 19th century?

Pointless article 2800:E2:2380:1427:C12C:3228:4D7E:780C (talk) 01:58, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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ANI notice/disruptive edits and edit warring

I have raised an ANI here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#c-Lewisguile-20240916215000-Lewisguile-20240916182100 There have been a number of recent edits made by a single user which insert unsourced and poorly sourced information, or information which is WP:UNDUE and fails to remain free of bias.

Similar activity has occurred at related pages, such as Afro-Caribbean people and Tacky's Revolt. The editor in question reverts any attempts to remove the disruptive editing and ignores polite requests to engage in WP:BRD. Lewisguile (talk) 06:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Reverts of possible WP:TE

Following on from the edit warring yesterday, I thought I'd outline the problems with the current draft as I them.

Lead: There are some old, poor and questionable sources used here. The YouTube video shouldn't be used at all, and the books from 1980 and 1996 are likely quite outdated so more contemporary sources should be used.

World Population Review doesn't mention anything about Caribbean Creoles as a demographic category in Jamaica, nor does it say that Afro-Jamaicans=Jamaican Creoles. Google Scholar only uses Jamaican Creole to refer to the language, save for a few older papers.

The claim that Afro-Jamaicans as a whole are indigenous Jamaicans (in the sense of Amerindian/Taíno) isn't properly sourced, and a controversial statement like that shouldn't be hidden via piping anyway.

Similarly, Jamaican Creole should not replace Afro-Jamaican as a term. The primary term used should reflect the title. Likewise, we shouldn't conflate a single source claiming evidence of Taíno heritage for indigenous Puerto Ricans (as is currently used) as proof that all Caribbeans, and indeed all Afro-Jamaicans, also have Taíno heritage and/or are Taíno Jamaicans. Considering there are people who identify as Taíno Jamaicans who aren't Afro-Jamaicans, that is likely to be confusing and controversial.

There has also been lots of well sourced information removed from the article, as well as some information that needed more sources but was generally reflective of scholarly consensus. These shouldn't be blanked out just because WP:DONTLIKEIT, and should be restored.

I would strongly recommend editors check out Wikipedia policy on reliable sources before adding new content to the article. Consensus should be sought for the recent changes, otherwise they should be rolled back to the last stable version. I have engaged the user in question to request that they take part in WP:BRD, however, they are currently blocked for edit warring and haven't yet engaged with the four editors who have issued recent notes of concern on their talk page.

I'd appreciate any help from other editors to help her this page back on track, and then help with edits to improve it further. Lewisguile (talk) 14:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Update: FifthFive has reverted the mass deletion of text and insertion of WP:UNDUE, WP:BIAS and WP:TE by blocked IP user as likely WP:SPA. Similar changes were made by this user to several related pages: Afro-Caribbeans, Afro-Jamaicans, Coromantee and Tacky's Rebellion. I have checked and this has restored all the relevant content that was removed.

Having compared the diffs to see if there was anything worth keeping, I have manually restored anything with RSes or which improved prose (if there was anything). Most changes were poorly sourced and added significant bias into the article, or simply removed existing information for no policy-based reason.

For transparency, I will post this on all affected pages.

Lewisguile (talk) 17:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)