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On 1 September 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Ivan Turchin to John B. Turchin. The result of the discussion was moved.

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"the law or war" ?

"... As Professor Kastenberg has noted, while Turchin may not have been concerned with the law or war, ..."

I know what these words literally mean, but it doesn't seem to make sense. Surely Turchin WAS concerned with war.

Is it just a typo for "the law OF war" (rules of engagement, treatment of prisoners and civilians, and so on), something I would certainly believe he didn't care about? TooManyFingers (talk) 20:53, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hang rape

Is gang rape sanctioned if done by northern soldiers? The pardon and promotion of Turchin by the northern union president Lincoln speaks volumes. This was not an isolated event. Black women were raped by northern soldiers with impunity. ( rape of Columbia SC) Northern apologists can never be forgiven for their promotion of these crimes and double standards. The genocide of the native Americans that followed is unspeakable. 76.114.138.253 (talk) 16:25, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 September 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Killarnee (talk) 21:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ivan Turchin → John B. Turchin – The predominance of the higher-quality works refer to Turchin as either John B. Turchin or John Basil Turchin. The references in this article mostly refer to him as John B. Turchin or John Basil Turchin, and both Generals in Blue and Civil War High Commands refer to him first as John Basil Turchin, with his Russian name in parantheses. I came across this as both the book I am currently reading (Welcher's The Union Army: Organization and Operations) and the book before that (Cozzens' The Shipwreck of Their Hopes) use the form John B. Turchin. I do not have strong feelings between John Basil Turchin or John B. Turchin, but I believe the current title is inferior to either of these two options. Hog Farm _Talk 20:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:ENGLISH and the first line of the article, which says he was better known as John. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 05:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:ENGLISH, the first line of the article, which says he was better known as John and Hog Farm's sources. Two other sources refer to him as John Basil Turchin: Sifakis, Stewart. Who Was Who in the Civil War. New York: Facts On File, 1988. ISBN 978-0-8160-1055-4, p. 663, and Heidler, David S., and Jeanne T. Heidler, eds. Encyclopedia of the American Civil War: A Political, Social, and Military History. New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 2000. ISBN 978-0-393-04758-5, p. 1984, list him as Turchin, John Basil (1822-1901). David A. Powell in The Chickamauga Campaign: Glory or the Grave: The Breakthrough, the Union Collapse, and the Defense of Horseshoe Ridge, September 20, 1863. El Dorado Hills, CA: Savas Beattie, 2017. ISBN 978-1-61121-383-6 refers to him several times as John Turchin and indexes his name as Turchin, John B. Donner60 (talk) 06:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Lewisguile (talk) 13:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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