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March 9, 2010 Good article nominee Listed

Fact check: Guadacanal section[edit]

A regiment of 300,000 Japanese soldiers? Really? That'd be something like 20% of the entire Imperial Japanese Army, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.236.204 (talk) 07:12, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

the edit of 3,000 to 300,000 was done 21:08, 31 March 2010 and again 16 May 2010 by IP number 70.185.223.52; all you can do about that kind of vandalism is just correct it. Naaman Brown (talk) 15:45, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

  • I did correct it yesterday. There were "only" 36,000 Japanese on the island. I changed it to 3000, which is in line with the number of soldiers in a US regiment, not sure what a Japanese regiment size was. Niteshift36 (talk) 17:48, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

The guy was pure badass. Rambo incarnate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.196.201.32 (talk) 03:00, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Regarding recruit training at Parris Island[edit]

According to interview with John Basilone USMC conducted by Capt Martin on Sept 1 1943 regarding Oct 24-25, 1942. Ref: http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?i=33866 On page 37 of this document John Basilone tells Capt Martin that he did not attend boot camp (Parris Island), but went straight to D Company, 1st Batallion 5th Marines at Quantico, Virgina, as he had already served in the Army. PhatrRick (talk) 07:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Basilone not the 1st Medal of Honor recipient[edit]

Basilone was awarded his MOH for actions that occured on 24-25 October 1942. The first MOH awarded was actually to a Sgt Clyde Thomason of the 2nd Raider Battalion in August of 1942 during the Makin Raid. I think the myth spread because Basilone was actually awarded his first and also because it tends to lend itself to the legend.--Looper5920 22:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

NO, BUT HE WAS THE FIRST ENLISTED MAN TO RECEIVE MOH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.160.185.126 (talk) 01:26, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Where is the verification for Bridgewater-Raritan High School being renamed for John Basilone? I attended BRHS for four years, after 1995, and as far as I know no one EVER called it Basilone High School. Maybe they were thinking of renaming the school when it was rebuilt, which doesn't surprise me, but I don't think it actually happened.--Rskovacs 24:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Story about the 38 Japanese?[edit]

What story? It's not in this article, must have been deleted --AW 00:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Lifting an M1917[edit]

I heard that he grabbed and lifted an M1917, a pretty heavy weapon for that time and requiring TWO men. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joao 10 1996 (talkcontribs) 21:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


I have lifted two M1917s at once, and I am not strong. I understand that the standard tripod for the gun is heavy, but a strong Marine could do it. Normally one person carried the gun and the other the tripod. Saltysailor (talk) 00:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I5[edit]

I corrected the reference to I5. It goes through Camp Pendleton. The Marines can often be seen practicing on both sides of the Freeway. Basilon Rd intersects I5 at the north end of I5's run through the Camp. Basilon Rd is the main North / South through the Camp. Saltysailor (talk) 01:01, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Memorial[edit]

more should be added to this section, theres Basilone Place in raritan ( http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.5686869&lon=-74.6411857&z=19&l=0&m=h&v=2&search=raritan)

theres another bridge in raritan named after him too, connecting first ave to hillsborough, near the statue on canal street ( http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.564734&lon=-74.637039&z=19&l=0&m=h&v=2&search=raritan )

not to mention, the john basilone annual parade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.123.213 (talk) 21:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

RE: "The Story"[edit]

In the article it says:

"The story about the 38 Japanese bodies comes from Private First Class Nash W. Phillips, of Fayetteville, North Carolina, who was in the same unit with Basilone on Guadalcanal."

What story? There is no story that this sentence references.

Didn't anybody else see this/catch this? Poor writing.

- 4.240.159.188 (talk) 00:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

The first iteration of the article created 04:49 3 Oct 2005 by an IP editor included this:

Gunnery Sergeant John Basilone, of Raritan, New Jersey, was awarded the Medal of Honor in recognition of his outstanding heroism at Guadalcanal. Later, during the Iwo Jima campaign, he was killed in action on D-Day, 19 February 1945.

At Guadalcanal, where he was serving with the 1st Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division, he used a machine gun and a pistol to kill 38 of the enemy from his emplacement and earn the nation's highest military decoration.

The text was sourced to (and taken verbatim from) http://hqinet001.hqmc.usmc.mil/HD/Historical/Whos_Who/Basilone_J.htm which has been moved to United States Marine Corps History Division, Who's Who in Marine Corps History, Gunnery Sergeant John Basilone, USMC (deceased) Apparently, some editor removed what appeared to be material used in violation of copyright while leaving material that referenced the deleted material. Naaman Brown (talk) 13:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

GA1[edit]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:John Basilone/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jackyd101 (talk) 23:42, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, I have reviewed this article against the Wikipedia:good article criteria and although I am not quite prepared to pass the article for GA immediately, I don't think there is a long way to go. I have listed below the principle problems which prevent this article from achieving GA status. The article now has seven days to address these issues, and should the contributors disagree with my comments then please indicate below why you disagree and suggest a solution, compromise or explanation. Further time will be granted if a concerted effort is being made to address the problems, and as long as somebody is genuinely trying to deal with the issues raised then I will not fail the article. I am aware that my standards are quite high, but I feel that an article deserves as thorough a review as possible when applying for GA and that a tough review process here is an important stepping stone to future FAC attempts. Please do not take offence at anything I have said, nothing is meant personally and maliciously and if anyone feels aggrieved then please notify me at once and I will attempt to clarify the comments in question. Finally, should anyone disagree with my review or eventual decision then please take the article to WP:GAR to allow a wider selection of editors to comment on the issues discussed here. Well done on the work so far.--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:42, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Issues preventing promotion[edit]

  • It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  • "At 18 he worked as a caddy for the local country club and decided to join the military" - no logical sequence, try "At 18 he worked as a caddy for the local country club before deciding to join the military"
  • "After driving trucks for a few months he wanted to go back to Manilla" - sentence is too simple, try "After driving trucks for a few months he decided that he wanted to go back to Manilla"
  • "when he got back to his hometown" - better phrased as "when he returned to his hometown"
  • "The Marine Corps has a number of things named for him" - there has to be a better term than "things". How about "The Marine Corps has infrastructure named for him". Also remove "scattered" as redundant.
  • It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  • Do US medal citations come with dates of issue? If so, then please add them to the citations.
  • Yes they do however I do not have the references to support an award date as of yet. I am going to continue developing this article to a and then FA status over the next couple months so I will incorporate the dates as I find the references to support them. The Medal of Honor date should be fairly easy since it was highly publicized but the Navy Cross one might be a bit more of a challenge. I hope this doesn't hold up the articles promotion but if it does, I understand. --Kumioko (talk) 02:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
It would be nice to see them when they are inserted, but I don't think this is a serious enough problem to hold up this nomination.--Jackyd101 (talk) 19:47, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
  • "His pack is seen in the Ken Burns documentary "The War" in the Iwo Jima segment, although the significance is not noted in the narration" - this needs a source.
  • Done I couldn't find a reference so I removed it for know. --Kumioko (talk) 01:43, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough.--Jackyd101 (talk) 19:47, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
  • It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  • "after completing school when he was fifteen he dropped out prior to attending high school" - I am unfamiliar with the American education system, but how can a person simultaneously complete and drop out of school? Should there be an other word in there? (middle? junior?)
  • To answer this question is a little long but here goes. The US education system has changed a lot of the years and back in his era it was not uncommon for people to leave school at various points. In todays system this would have been junior high school but back then they didn't use the term finishing school. When the references say graduate they mean that he completed the grade. I will reword it a little to reflect the actual grade unless I can find a suitable reference. --Kumioko (talk) 02:46, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Where was he when the US joined World War II? If it while he was in Cuba, then say so.
  • I am stuck on this one for the moment also but let me do a little reading and see if I can figure it out. I should have the answers in the next couple days. --Kumioko (talk) 02:46, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Bay all means add it as I think it is valuable, but I wonj't hold up the nomination for this information.--Jackyd101 (talk) 19:47, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
  • It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  • It is stable.
  • It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  • Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:
Good work, this is a very nice article. Since you are planning to continue work on this and in light of the work already completed I think this article is worthy of passing GA. Congratulations.--Jackyd101 (talk) 19:47, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Early Life[edit]

How long did he live in Buffalo? Why did his parents move there and then return to central NJ? 98.221.124.80 (talk) 05:27, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Stars on ribbon[edit]

Shouldn't the Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal shown have two bronze stars for his two campaigns? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.114.177 (talk) 13:59, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't GySgt Basilone awarded any Good Conduct Medals? I would think that he was awarded at least one Army GCM and one Marine Corps GCM.SonnyJim (talk) 10:22, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree with both entries above, but wonder why they have not either been commented on, if incorrect, or a change made to the Campaign Stars and Good Conduct Medals For Basilone. Good Conduct Medals are awarded for three years of good conduct in both the U.S. Army and the U.S. Marine Corps. Having participated in two campaigns (Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima) he should have received a star for each. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.60.70 (talk) 03:56, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
He fought in 2 campaigns = two 3/16" stars. The two 3/16" bronze stars for the APCM were added on 3/14/14 (one star was removed and given a numeral 1 on 8/17/16, which I corrected on 10/20/16). He is entitled to two not one 3/16" bronze star for his PUC (added 10/20/16). He is entitled to the Army Good Conduct Medal if he completed 3 years during 1934-37 (?) and the Marine Good Conduct Medal which was added on 3/14/14 (required 4 years service WWII). Also, he is entitled to the Combat Action Ribbon (if applied for) which he earned. YahwehSaves (talk) 22:42, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Army rank[edit]

What was Basilone's rank in the Army? Add that to the article. 202.156.14.98 (talk) 14:58, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Boxing Champion[edit]

In the article in mentioned that while serving in the Army he was a Army boxing champ. Per "The Pacific" by Hugh Ambrose (the non-fiction novel, not the miniseries" This was a rumor started by his own family. He fought golden gloves but admitted in an interview that he was not that good. I deleted the comment about the boxing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.11.109.186 (talk) 19:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm readding the info with a reference. FieldMarine (talk) 02:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Raritan Boro[edit]

The article says Basilone grew up in the "Boro of Raritan." However, Raritan was not a boro until after Basilone died. At the time Basilone lived there it was Raritan Town and it was a subdivision of Bridgewater Township. It didn't become Raritan Boro until 1948, Basilone died in 1945. He never lived in Raritan Boro, parts of which are not a part of what was Raritan Town. Basilone grew up in the Raritan Town section of Bridgewater Township.173.3.14.73 (talk) 06:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC) http://www.raritanboro.org/overview.htm

OK, thanks. I'll make the change. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:31, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

His death[edit]

I know most sources say he was killed by a mortar, but here says that Hugh Ambrose went through the Marine archives, and uncovered the fact that he was killed by gunshot wounds, (Which was why it portrayed him getting killed by a bullet in the HBO series, The Pacific.

Do you think we should add that? --AnyGuy (talk) 04:51, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

The eyewitness accounts I've read say mortar fire. Marine Record keeping is often incorrect. I'd stay with mortar fire. FieldMarine (talk) 01:44, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

This section needs tidying up. The "EDIT" part that says he was killed via different means is not in keeping with a Wikipedia article. Either include it in the main paragraph, i.e. "however there are conflicting reports of how he was killed..." or get rid of that part entirely. I don't know enough about this to correct it myself. --3atc3 (talk) 04:50, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I've edited the sentence mentioning Ambrose's research slightly and inserted a citation needed tag. Someone with a copy of Ambrose's book could insert the correct citation. There is also this interesting collection of contemporary clippings covering his death, attributed to "Japanese artillery fire", from a site dedicated to Raritan history that may be a helpful source if someone continues to re-work this section: http://www.raritan-online.com/jb-death.htm Kestral84 (talk) 17:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Promotions[edit]

If the article states when he receives his various promotions, sorry, I am not seeing it. Varlaam (talk) 17:32, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

....he fought with a MACHETE?[edit]

Does anyone know if John Basilone actually fought using a machete in hand-to-hand combat on Guadalcanal? If this story is true it should not be very difficult to find a reliable source that mentions it. My edit has been reverted and labelled vandalism by some guy named FieldMarine. Can any more experienced wikipedia users help with this issue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.83.30.92 (talk) 02:33, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Read the history of edits. Saying he took a dump on the Medal of Honor is vandalism. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 04:45, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
If you do read the history, one sees you reverted edits by three different IPs together, only two of which were vandalism. But I strongly suggest that 97.83.30.92 get a named account if he wants to avoid summary deletion like this. Barsoomian (talk) 02:31, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
My apologies…must have glossed over that since in the edit summary the IP editor was calling people an "idiot". Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:51, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

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