Talk:Kanyakubja Brahmin

The Kanyakubja Brahmins

There are two versions of the Kanyakubja story that I have heard. We can put up either one or both: 1. When Rama returned to Ayodhya after the slaying of Ravana, who was a Brahmin himself, he had to perform yagnas to seek forgiveness for killing a Brahmin (Brahm-hatya). Upon the performance of the yagnas, the Brahmins who refused to grant forgiveness have been known as Kanyakubja Brahmins (and were supposedly known for their hot tempers).

2. More recently, the Brahmins running away from Moghul persecution who crossed the Saryu (Sutlej?) river came to be known as Saryupaari Brahmins and most others came to be known as Kanyakubja.

3. kanyakubj brahmins most probably descent from sage parshuram and bhardwaj.kanyakubj brahmins are also known as kannaujia brahmins.kannauj is that land who is protected by kanyakubj brahmins.kanyakubj brahmins also have a descented from pushyamitra shung,who was kanyakubj brahmins of bhardwaj gotra.

4.KANYAKUBJA BRAHMINS WERE ORIGINATED FROM GODDESS SHAKTI.THATS WHY THEY ARE KANYAKUBJA(MAIDENS WOMB) BRAHMINS.IN SATAYUGA SOME OF THESE BRAHMINS WERE KSHATRIYAS BY KARMA AND HAVE KINGDOM IN CITY OF KANYAKUBJA(PRESENTLY KANNAUJ).TILL THE END OF SATAYUGA, MOST OF KANYAKUBJA KINGS BECOME BRAHMIN BY KARMA.BUT SOME ESTABLISHED KINGDOMS EVEN AFTER SATAYUGA.THEY FOLLOW SHAKTISM RELIGION. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.241.137.180 (talk) 11:20, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Saryupareen brahmin are not kanyakubja Brahmin.they are come from Nepal region to kannoj region.so don't add them to kanyakubja Brahmin.if any reports available please give.and don't give any folse storyline. Sumitkumartiwary (talk) 06:34, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Kanyakubja Brahmins , Meat Eating Among

I have come across this quotation on meat eating among Kanyakubja Brahmins:

"While abstinence from animal food is considered elevating, its use is hardly degrading in view of the fact that the highest Brahmans, the Kanaujias, never advocated consumption of herbivorous animals, such as goat, sheep, deer, fish and a few birds like green pigeons &c. as these are considered to be suitable for consumption by the lower castes. The consumption of other animals is considered somewhat degrading. These are ducks, fowls, pigs and beef, together with lizards, crocodiles and other edible carnivorous animals. In the Maratha country ducks and fowl are not looked upon as impure... In the northern districts the fowl is looked on with abhorrence and its mere touch sometimes entails the need for purification by a bath... [fish are called] 'Jal Semi' or water bean and is devoured by those orthodox Brahmans who would abjure even goat's flesh..." Man in India, March-June 1925, "Some notes about marriage, food, drink, and occupations of caste affecting social status in the central provinces", 64.

Will somebody either confirm or deny it? Ancient Infant (talk) 14:31, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

KANYAKUBJA BRAHMINS FOLLOW SHAKTISM.SO THEY OFFERED SACRIFICE OF ONLY BLACK MALE GOAT AND BLACK MALE BUFFALO TO GODDESS SHAKTI.THEY CONSUMED THE MEAT OF ONLY SACRIFICED BLACK MALE GOAT WHICH IS SACRIFICED ON SOME FUNCTIONS AND ON SANKAT CHATURTHI FESTIVAL.THEY CONSUME WINE WHICH IS OFFERED TO KAL BHAIRAV ONLY AS PRASAD.ANY UNOFFERED OUTSIDE MEAT OR WINE IS IMPURE AND NOT ALLOWED TO BE CONSUMED IN KANYAKUBJA BRAHMINS.THE CORPSE OF SACRIFICED BLACK MALE BUFFALO IS GIVEN TO WEAKER SECTIONS OF SOCIETY I.E.DALITS,PASIS ETC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.241.205.48 (talk) 11:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes it is right Ranjeetkumarsingh8 (talk) 20:43, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Kanyakubj Brahmins

kanyakubj brahmins have a descented from sage parshuram and pushyamitra shung.god parshuram's grand father maharshi was belong to kannauj and pushyamitra shung was belong to vidisa.in ancient time ,mahodaya was called kanyakubj.mahodaya was spread to the border of malwa.kanyakubj brahmins of ravangram of vidisa district in madhyapradesh is famous to all over india due to their ravan bhakti. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanyakubjbrahmins (talk • contribs) 06:03, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

most of the nepali brahmins have their roots to kannouj are are kanyakubja. As far as their diatery pattern is concerned they are meat eaters. Most nepali brahmin pray panchayans (Ganesh,surya,devi,shiva and visnu). From the time immemorial they have been eating the meat of he sheep,he goat,himali he goat (chyangra in nepali) but they never eat female goats. In birds jungle fowls they eat except chicken and duct. however sheep having long tail (longer than knee) are not allowed. The above stated meat is allowed but garlic and onions are not. fishes are allowed but fishes those do not have bones are not allowed. It is heard that the newari brahmins having their roots to mithila eat the meat of buffalo including stated above. They are also panchayan prayers but they are the priest of taleju bhawani or tulaja bhawani, the kul devi of malla kings, who were succeeded by shah kings.however some nepali brahmins have changed to vaisnava and forshake the habbit of eating meat.most nepali brahmins have kulpuja rituals and on those rituals he goats are sacrificed.both saradiya navaratri and chaitra navaratri are being celebrated by nepali brahmins and animal sacrifice and meat consumption is rampant among brahmins. Castrated he goats(Khasi in Nepali) is also allowed but they are not sacrificed to devi and bhairab. However during auspecious days like ekadasi,amavasya.janmastami,ram navami,shiva ratri, adhik mashas (known as purushottam mashas)and pitri pakshya prior to saradiya navaratri meat consumption is not allowed.Conventionally during the saraddhas meat were offered to fore fathers and mothers but nowdays these customs do not exist however some newar community other than brahmin still practice it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.244.120.132 (talk) 16:16, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Don't distort the content of Kanyakubj and other Brahmin groups

Please do not change the statements taken from different sources (cited as well) to suit your personal prejudiced views. Do not plagiarise and change the content of the article without any citations. You have no right to give your personal views on the subject unless you are a Sociologist, Anthropologist or a Historian.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.164.135.222 (talk) 02:42, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Don't add saryupareen with kanyakubja brahmin.saryupareen are khasa areas origin and kanyakubja Brahmin are kannoj region origin.saryugpareen are tibbati mangolayed rage and kanyakubja brahmin are Aryan rage.they are not related ethenic group so please edit Sumitkumartiwary (talk) 16:20, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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Edit request on 30 March 2013

bhumihar is not brahmin caste kind ly edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.216.237.31 (talk) 08:58, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

It appears to be sourced in at least two places within the article. Are you suggesting that the sources are wrong or that the information given is not in the sources? - Sitush (talk) 22:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Read kanyakubja vanshavali.kaashyap gotra vritantam😄 Ranjeetkumarsingh8 (talk) 20:03, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Vanshavalis are pseudo-historical texts aimed at glorification, and are not considered reliable sources by Wikipedia's standards. utcursch | talk 20:06, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 June 2013

Please include the name of Dr Shyama Prasad Mookerjee in notable Kanyakubja brahmins Centaurisom (talk) 10:02, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

A person is only eligible for entry if they have an article about themselves on Wikipedia and if their affiliation with a particular caste is verifiable using a reliable source. You'll probably also find it useful to read User:Sitush/Common#Castelists.

If you can satisfy these requirements then please do re-open this request and provide the necessary information. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 10:07, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Bhumihar Brahmins

The comment concerning Bhumihar Brahmins in the lead section is at present sourced to Saraswati, Swami Sahajanand (2003). Swami Sahajanand Saraswati Rachnawali in Six volumes (in Volume 1). Delhi: Prakashan Sansthan. pp. 519 (at p 68–69) (Volume 1). ISBN 81-7714-097-3. and should not be removed wthout an explanation. I'm unsure about the reliability of that source and raised the matter at here at WT:INB recently. The issue affects several articles and it seems that one person is periodically remvoing the same statement from them but always without providing a reason. Please explain. - Sitush (talk) 09:21, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

This women Heba aiysh have now distorted the Kanyakubja Vanshavali by removing bhumihars from it. This invites legal action. Add to it she has edited Bhumihars Varna Page in Wikipedia with no factual citations Rai950 (talk) 10:39, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Bhumihars are undivideble part of Kanyakubja Brahmans.

The book 'Kanyakubj Vanshawali' mentions about it that the 'Bhumihar Brahmans' are one among five branches of 'Kanyakubj Brahmans'.

The Madarpur battle against the army of the Babar was fought by Kanyakubj Bhumihar Brahmans to protect Ram Janm Bhumi for the first day after the attack by Mir Baki to Ayodhya.

A lot of Bhumihar Brahmans living in eastern Uttar Pradesh and in Bihar are actually migrated after these battles from Kanyakubj region to eastern Uttar Pradesh or in Bihar or in Jharkhand. Dr Abhai Kumar Rai Sociologist (talk) 12:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

So the truth must be mention in the page of Kanyakubj Brahman, that the Bhumihar Brahmans are one among the five branches of Kanyakubja Brahmans. Dr Abhai Kumar Rai Sociologist (talk) 12:09, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2017

FOLLWING STATEMENT US INCORRECT: "Kannaujia or Kanojia"

Kankubjya brahmins are not called "Kannaujia or Kanojia", HENCE NEEDS TO REMOVE IT 117.227.41.190 (talk) 10:14, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 08:07, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2020

Other sub-group of Kanyakubja are the Bhumihar Brahmins and Jujhautiya Brahmins. Shashwatgautam2812 (talk) 11:10, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

References

These sources do not meet WP:RS criteria: they talk about things like mythical origins. utcursch | talk 04:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2021

Dr Abhai Kumar Rai Sociologist (talk) 12:19, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

According to the famous book , written to show to the lineage of the 'Kanyakubj Brahmans', name 'Kanyakubj Wanshawai, there are five branches of the 'Kanyakubj Brahmans': 1- Kannojia Brahman 2-Jijhotia Brahman 3-Bhumihar Brahman 4-Sarwaria Brahman 5-Sanadhya Brahman Dr Abhai Kumar Rai Sociologist (talk) 12:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:44, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2022

The Kanyakubja Brahmins receive their name from Kanauj, an ancient city of northern India. The Brahmins are the highest of the four main castes of Hinduism. The Brahmins are the priests, teachers and keepers of the sacred traditions of Hinduism. The Kanyakubja descend from royalty and large landowners of the colonial period. Today the Kanyakubja Brahmins work at the highest level of society in medicine, government, law and business. They use the Antarvedi; Babaji; Bahun; Bajey; Brahman Terai; Brahmin Terai; Dasakula; Kanaujia; Kanojia; Kankubia; Kanyakubja; Maharaj; Panditji; Satakula;titles. They speak the various dialects of Hindi, such as Khari boli and Awadhi. Franky 123404 (talk) 14:12, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:19, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2022 (2)

According to the Book "The Castes and Tribes of H.E.H. the Nizam's Dominions, Band 1" Kanojia are Brahmins. Kanojia are the people of the Kanauj region in Uttar Pradesh. Link: https://books.google.de/books?id=lYSd-3yL9h0C&pg=PA300&lpg=PA300&dq=kanojia+caste&source=bl&ots=aGmhCm_dSP&sig=ACfU3U2x9xROnN9K5DrNGNQ7Mgt4C4tKlw&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNmva4j9L1AhXnsaQKHavBDxQQ6AF6BAgdEAM#v=onepage&q=kanojia%20caste&f=false Franky 123404 (talk) 14:20, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:37, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 March 2024

I have already requested for unprotection of this article. In case my request gets wasted, I request admins to read Romila thapar's book somanatha and RS Khare's journals for authentic information on Kanyakubja Brahmins. These sources tell how Kanyakubjas were invited to Gujarat Odisha Bengal etc for Sanskritising those lands and also their Attire in British period. Ministerofunderworld (talk) 03:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 04:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 May 2024

 Done Charliehdb (talk) 13:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Occupation

Some of the Kanyakubja Brahmins were Priests, Astronomers, Astrologers, teachers while others chose the career of soldier. They formed the best fighting element in Awadh next only to Rajputs. 110.226.224.79 (talk) 22:10, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 May 2024

Change X ==Origins== The majority of the interviewees assert that the designation of the caste originates from the city of Kannauj, emphasizing that this name signifies a geographical association. The etymology of this caste is solely preserved through oral traditions, mythical narratives, and proverbial accounts. One narrative pertains to the characters Kushanabha and Brihamadatta, while another centers around Lord Ramchandra and two siblings (disputed), Kanya and Kubja.

To

Y ==Origins== The majority of the interviewees assert that the designation of the caste originates from the city of Kannauj, emphasizing that this name signifies a geographical association. The etymology of this caste is solely preserved through genealogies, oral traditions, mythical narratives, and proverbial accounts. 27.63.61.205 (talk) 22:05, 27 May 2024 (UTC)27.63.61.205 (talk) 21:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Charliehdb (talk) 09:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 May 2024 (2) This information should be added on this article as it gives more idea about the occupation of Kanyakubja Brahmins. Don't get confuse on Kanaujia and Kanyakubja as both are synonyms as mentioned in same source.

Occupation

Mr. George Campbell gives the following information:--

"Whether from the example of the Rajputs, or for other reasons, Kanyakubja Brahmins of the Antarvéda and Awadh have taken largely to the profession of arms, not usually much followed by Brahmins in other parts of the country; and beyond their own boundaries in their military character they are reputed the most overbearing and disagreeable of their race. Yet I fancy that it is rather their profession than their natural character, which has attached to them this bad name".

It is still generally believed that the Kanyakubja Brahmins formed the first power in the Bengal Army which mutinied. Considering their numbers and influence, they are to be held chiefly responsible for the atrocities which were committed in Eastern India on East India Company. 106.222.144.241 (talk) 23:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

References

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 17:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Mention whole of this information from "Mr. george campbell to East India company" in occupation section. There shouldn't be any confusion. 223.189.201.228 (talk) 17:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

The source cited here is as reliable as it can be. It isn't by a british civil servant which can make it unreliable as per sitush but by a Scottish missionary. 223.189.201.228 (talk) 17:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 July 2024

Need not to change anything. Just add new section "Military"

Military

Kanyakubja Brahmins supplied excellent recruits in the old Bengal Army. There were only two regiments of Brahmins in Bengal Army which recruited exclusively from Kanyakubja Brahmins. It is from this tribe that most of the soldiers in two Brahmin regiments 1st Brahmans & 3rd Brahmans were drawn.

Mr. George Campbell gives the following information:--

"Whether from the example of the Rajputs, or for other reasons, Kanyakubja Brahmins of the Antarvéda and Awadh have taken largely to the profession of arms, not usually much followed by Brahmins in other parts of the country; and beyond their own boundaries in their military character they are reputed the most overbearing and disagreeable of their race. Yet I fancy that it is rather their profession than their natural character, which has attached to them this bad name".

It is still generally believed that the Kanyakubja Brahmins formed the first power in the Bengal Army which mutinied. Considering their numbers and influence, they are to be held chiefly responsible for the atrocities which were committed in Eastern India on East India Company. 47.9.34.119 (talk) 18:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

References

 Partly done: I have reworked the proposal for neutrality and encyclopedicness. Thank you. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 20:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Yovt: Note that the above request is likely made by an IP sock. See this removal of similar content per WP:BANREVERT . Also note that pre-1947 (British Era) sources are not considered reliable as far as caste articles are concerned (see WP:RAJ). - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 21:09, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: agree with this, it's likely a sock of Anantam tripathi. Ratnahastin (talk) 16:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)