Talk:Karl Koecher

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Hello, I have attempted to clean up this article, adding/taking away commas and fixing run-on and awkward sentences. 24 Oct. 2008 --Airplaneman (talk) 01:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I am familiar with this case and seems to me that the article was either written by Koecher himself or by somebody who had very favorable view of him. Text is extremely biased in Koecher's favour. For more reasonable view on the subject I recommend books of Ronald Kessler, NYT and WSJ reporter, who wrote several books about Koecher and even visited him in Czechoslovakia. Ross.Hedvicek 16:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the text is clearly biased. Since you write that you're familiar with the case, may I suggest that you attempt to write a more neutral version of this article. Fdedio 13:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Koecher is not the only known CIA mole...what about Aldrich Ames?
I guess it is a question of semantics - Koecher came to CIA (and USA) with a pre-determined intention to be a "mole" from the get go, as oppose to Ames who betrayed the CIA because his wife told him so. So Koecher was in technical sense a mole - Ames was an ordinary traitor for a few bucks. Ross.Hedvicek 20:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Mole refers to an intelligence officer who infiltrates a foreign organization under cover. Ames was an agent, recruited by intelligence officers.
The Mitrokhin Archive (see Christopher Andrews and Vasili Mitrokhin) gives a lot of information on this pair. They were something of an embarrassment to the KGB because of their success. Their biggest successes in agent recruitment came from their activity in swingers' clubs in New York and Washington DC. Many CIA and NSA employees apparently frequented these clubs and their sexual activities with these two were deemed a security risk. Weirdly, this article entirely omits that part of their career. Was it edited by the same people who biased the original text? (talk) 21:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Neutrality tag[edit]

I removed the Neutrality tag after reading through it and finding the article balanced. If someone wants to restore the tag, can you please address your reasons here? Thank you. Jtpaladin 15:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

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I too don't believe Koecher is the only known CIA mole in history. According to "The Secret History of the CIA" by Joseph Trento, ISBN 0-7867-1500-6, Igor Orlov penetrated the CIA and transferred confidential/secret information to the Soviets. Comment?

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