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Dagestan

I think it should probably be mentioned that he is specifically from thejrwglnjetgnrwiejtngreaigergjnetjugn

Dagestan region of Russia. I don't really know anything about the politics around the country, but it seems relevant that many of the best wrestlers from the Russian Federation are known to come from this region. Another UFC fighter, Rustam Khabilov also comes from here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.212.248.74 (talk) 22:21, 18 January 2013 (UTC) 

His record in the sidebar...

... says he has 22 losses. Someone should fix that. 68.9.104.186 (talk) 14:05, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Reach?

Tired of seeing the 64 inch reach from his ufc.com profile listed. It just feels way too small and it's not how they're promoting him before fights:

See: http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Khabib-Nurmagomedov-56035 Sherdog profile.

https://punchfacedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/nvshcfp8p5e.jpg?w=480&h=1&crop=1 Tale of the tape.

http://cdn.lowkickmma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Khabib-Nurmagomedov.jpg Him and Conor.

-142.161.164.197 (talk) 14:41, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Manager war with the creator of article

Marina I is the manager of Khabib and require to delete an article!!! because I'm violating copyrights

Lern 2 speek Inglish, reetard. 78.148.69.157 (talk) 16:46, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Birthplace

There's quite a bit of contradictory information regarding Khabib's birthplace out there. Many English language outlets have it listed as Makhachkala, however, that is merely the capital of Dagestan and his current residence. Several Russian sources reference his birthplace as Silde, Tsumadinsky Dictrict. So I had updated the article with the relevant citations. However, upon continuing researching further sources, I've found that his birthplace is actually Kirovaul, Kizilyurtovsky District. This is based on an interview where he was asked and answered directly, as opposed to the third-party accounts of the various other articles.

http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/511704

Another interview by his father, too, seems to match the accounts of the aforementioned article pertaining to his childhood.

https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/prosport/652388.html

Probably the most convincing piece, would be the documentary done by Match TV which is a Russian TV channel, titled Undefeated, which follows the family to his home and village. His uncle in particular mentions that his parents had moved from Silde, Tsumadinsky to the latter residence of Kirovau.

http://www.matchtv.ru/boxing/matchtvvideo_NI684341_clip_Nepobezhdennyj_istorija_Khabiba_Nurmagomedova (article)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGJulEBiuxY (video)

In the above video, beginning at the 2:00 minute mark, his father describes the same details as mentioned in the articles above. Then at the 4:00 min mark, his uncle mentions his parents resettling from Silde, and goes on to mention his brother, sister and other details of them growing up. Hopefully, this will serve as a good reference for us for dispelling any misunderstanding, in case other contributors are confused about where he was really born, as I was myself. – DA1 (talk) 12:09, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Khabib vs. Habib!

ohhh Lord! what a stupid person changed the name of Khabib - Habib??

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Which version do you think is stupid? Хабиб in russian has NO K in it, so there is no reason to have it in english with a silent K (again something that doesnt exist in russian). if anything the idiotic english version makes it that almost everyone not familiar with the name pronounces it Kabib because they see the K in front. This has to be changed.

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Change nationality from Russian to Avars (Caucasus)

Now information is not correct,cos he is not russian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.188.123.222 (talk) 19:07, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

altercation with mcgregor

add the recent altercation with mcgregor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.118.87 (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Sneaky vandalism on Wikidata

I was looking at this article on my phone and saw that the short description was "Russian condom martial artist." Suspecting that it was vandalism, I looked for the short description in the wikicode of the article but didn't find it. Then, remembering that articles without a short description used the Wikidata description, I looked there and fixed it. Anyway, don't forget to check the Wikidata entries of frequently-vandalized articles, as they may be attractive targets for vandals wishing to remain undetected. AmericanLemming (talk) 03:10, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 October 2018

Change 26 wins to 27 173.21.220.73 (talk) 05:22, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 06:19, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

ELABORATE on what Nurmagomedov said in his post match press conference

Currently the page only says 'apologized to the NSAC and said "You cannot talk about religion. You cannot talk about nation."'. It leaves the meaning of what he said very unclear and distorts it. He also said he wanted to transform UFC and make it about respect and remove trash talk and the context of why he said "You cannot talk about religion. You cannot talk about nation." is that he was constantly provoked on these subjects throughout the pre-match conferences and in the fight by Dillon Danis.

Oleg Taktarov won UFC 6. The article that is quoted as a source makes the claim that he is the first but not address Taktarov's UFC 6 title nor does it make any attempt to substantiate its claim.

http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Oleg-Taktarov — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:D85:DF00:495D:F3F7:ABF6:FC88 (talk) 16:30, 7 October 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bvellacott (talk • contribs)

Grammar

Fix spelling from octogon to octagon. Rossidor (talk) 20:58, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Inaccurate statement about Dagestan

Dagestan was an Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic within Russian SFSR, and it has never become an independent state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eugalt (talk • contribs) 02:28, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 October 2018

currently holds the longest undefeated streak in MMA, with 27 wins Hershedm96 (talk) 05:36, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

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Comment @Alucard 16: Can we have this page protection dial back to Semi-Protected? I think was very unnecessary to have the protection level increased as Semi Protect was enough to stop vandalism..Colton Meltzer (talk) 23:20, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

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Mixed martial arts record: Conor McGregor

Currently, the wikipedia MMA record indicates that Khabib won via "Submission (neck crank)" (User talk:Colton Meltzer). However, this is not correct. Khabib won via Submission by rear naked choke. I cannot edit the current page due to WP:BLUELOCK (User talk:Enigmaman) being active & I have not made over 500 edits. Please review my citations & update the page with the correct information. Thank you. Nurse90 (talk) 17:44, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Upon reading the citations, I agree with this request. --Super Goku V (talk) 09:29, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

@Super Goku V: In combination of watching the UFC 229 Fight (The graphics shows Neck Crank) and reviewing the most reliable MMA Fights tracking site Sherdog. It is indeed a Neck Crank (or modified version of Neck Crank). Not Rear-Naked Choke. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Khabib-Nurmagomedov-56035 Colton Meltzer (talk) 04:38, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

References

Makhachkala

Dagestan capital Makhachkala is not "state" capital. Dagestan is not a "state". It is a republic (federal subject) of Russian Federation. Should be "..before moving to Makhachkala - the capital of Dagestan that became a republic within Russian Federation". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eugalt (talk • contribs) 17:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

And it is "within the Russian SFSR", not "inside the Russian SFSR". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eugalt (talk • contribs) 18:10, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done Enigma^msg 15:53, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Not first russian to win UFC

Oleg Taktarov won UFC 6. The article that is quoted as a source makes the claim that he is the first but not address Taktarov's UFC 6 title nor does it make any attempt to substantiate its claim.

http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Oleg-Taktarov — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:D85:DF00:495D:F3F7:ABF6:FC88 (talk) 16:30, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

He won the tournament, but Dan Severn was billed as the "Ultimate Fighting Champion" heading into his superfight against "World Shootfighting Champion" Ken Shamrock right after that. So what was Taktarov's title? "UFC 6 Tournament Champion" is listed like a proper noun in his Wikipedia article, but this seems like an unofficial presumption. The tournament's promo poster doesn't claim it's for a championship. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:21, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

State Award of Highest Degree of Dagestan

Khabib was awarded this recently by the Executive Head of Dagestan. Can we have a honours section and have this medal/ honor under it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.240.130.75 (talk) 11:37, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2019

"in December, [year]" = "in December [year] 2605:E000:9149:8300:AD96:7ABA:7CA2:5D81 (talk) 10:40, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done DannyS712 (talk) 11:02, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

First Russian to hold a title?

What about Andrei Arlovski?--Achim Hering (talk) 15:21, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Was born when Belarus was Russia, but won when it wasn't. Tough call. I say he doesn't count. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:31, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

He's not Russian, he's Belarusian, a country near Russia but not a part of it. Muhammad Zakariya Q (talk) 09:56, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Controversies

The UFC 223 and EA UFC 2 things are listed as controversies for Khabib, but they aren't. Should they be removed? TBMNY (talk) 16:58, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

The EA thing was an honest mistake and fixed without any backtalk, so I removed that much. But the hotel beef led to broken windows, lawsuits and a guy trying to pull another guy's head off against his will in the resultant PPV cage match, after which he dropkicked a fighter from a rival promotion. If all those public disagreements, violent altercations and financial repercussions can't add up to controversy, I can't imagine what could. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:36, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Oleg Taktarov - please correct references on Khabib's wiki page

I see a few references in this article that Khabib is the first Russian-born UFC champion. However, I believe that distinction belongs to [Taktarov]. I'm not very good at editing these pages, could someone kindly make the appropriate updates please? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigBlueGuy (talk • contribs) 15:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Taktarov won a tournament, but not every tournament is for a championship. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:42, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Changed nationality from Turkish to Russian

Khabib was born, now lives in Russia and has a Russian passport. Please don't confuse ethnicity with nationality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iceness (talk • contribs) 14:01, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2019

In the Fighting Style section, Randy Couture is misspelled as Courture. Generalhavok (talk) 13:39, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done aboideau^talk 13:43, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Why is him being Muslim important?

Why is it being repeated over and over again that he is a Muslim? Why is this relevant to a professional athlete? Do all the Christian/ Hindu/ Atheist athletes' bio state that they are such and such religion? I could understand if the fact that "he is a Muslim" is stated in the bio or Early life section or somewhere further down but it is un-encyclopedic to have it as an Intro. I assume an agenda is being pushed here by certain Muslim editors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.240.130.75 (talk) 11:34, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I can say the same for you non-Muslim editors who are clearly bothered by Khabib's religion being mentioned on his page. He is the first Muslim to win the title, that's only stating the facts. Or are you saying people who don't know about his religion should not know about it which goes opposite to what Wikipedia is about? On Michael Bisping's page, you can see him being the first British to win a title has been mentioned, this is no different. Of course his religion is not mentioned because he's not the first Christian to win a title. I'm sure if a Hindu or atheist or anyone else from a religion that had no champion before will have it written as well. Removing it from his page would be agenda for misleading people who visit his Wikipedia page to know about his religion. Muhammad Zakariya Q (talk) 09:48, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

That's not at all the same, Muhammad. Religion is not a metric or parameter mentioned or used in sports at all. Country/nationality is, as people fight under a flag or representing a nation in a competition. Religion is utterly irrelevant and has no business in the introduction. It belongs under Personal life.--87.72.102.66 (talk) 22:41, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Catchweight

Should we not edit the statement "Catchweight bout (xxx lbs) Khabib missed weight" to ""Khabib xy missed weight"? Because it is not catchweight when it is not agreed upon to fight at that weight. Almost every fighter's page has that wrong.WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 00:30, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Country of Birth

Although Khabib was born in Dagestan, in 1988 the region was known as the Dagestan ASSR located in the Soviet Union rather than the Russian Federation. The region was also not referred to as the Republic of Dagestan until the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. This part should be revised in the place of birth section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.66.97.47 (talk) 19:14, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2020

Add in Bus attack at UFC 223 Media Day section that "Nurmagomedov and members of his entourage cornered Lobov and slapped him multiple times". Currently, the incident description is whitewashed with slapping act missing.

Source: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2768676-report-conor-mcgregor-attack-retaliation-on-khabib-nurmagomedov-for-artem-lobov 2409:4073:201D:27C9:E925:E393:9925:D547 (talk) 09:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:49, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2020 (3)

Change "is a Russian retired mixed martial..." to "is a retired Russian mixed martial...". This is the grammatically correct syntax. Zombiefruit (talk) 23:25, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done Terasail^[Talk] 23:57, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry but this isn't correct. Retired should modify/qualify and precede mixed martial artist. He's retired from mixed martial arts, not being Russian. Please restore.NEDOCHAN (talk) 00:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

First Muslim to win UFC title

A few people have deleted this fact, which is sourced and true, so I think we should discuss. I think it should stay (I didn't add this information, by the way). It's an interesting fact and seems quite significant in the wider scheme of things.NEDOCHAN (talk) 21:15, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Agree it's sourced and seems true, certainly a fun fact and I like it. But as insignificant in a wider scheme of things as being the first Russian. Now if a Muslim (or even a Russian) wins Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest, that'd be something to write home about. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:29, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

I find this to be completely irrelevant. Why is it there? It has nothing to do with the sport or his role in it. Fighters are not divided into religious groups, their religion is not a part of their branding or any of the information on screen when fighting (compared to nationality, which is).--87.72.102.66 (talk) 15:28, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

It's a widely quoted fact, it is sourced and I believe its inclusion adds to the article, rather than takes away from it. NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:26, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Maybe we need a vote on this. As an experienced editor and having edited more than 200 sports pages, in my experience it is widely established that we do not mix sports and religion. We had a big discussions, (admins involved) after there were a few Muslims who were the "first Muslims to win the World Cup" and if such precedent was followed we would have "first Christian", "first Orthodox", "First Shia Muslim", "First Brahmin Hindu" and would delve into smaller and smaller sub-religions where it is just irrelevant. If you guys really think the fact that he is a Muslim is so important, maybe we can have have it in the detailed bio. It certainly is not significant enough to be in the intro. Imperial HRH2 (talk) 13:35, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

And the fact that NEDOCHAN thinks Khabib being a Muslim is more important than Khabib being an undefeated fighter (for the intro) is mind-boggling.Imperial HRH2 (talk) 13:38, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

This fact has no place in the introduction. If you want religion/superstition in an article about a sportsman, please put it under personal life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.72.102.66 (talk) 03:47, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I agree with puting it under personal life, but that's basically because I've seen "Jewish" deleted from leads in several articles. I don't immediately see any compelling reason why "Jewish" should be prohibited, but not "Muslim". I've always strongly felt that "black" shouldn't be capitalized when "white" isn't, and my concern is for consistency here too. We don't need to argue here about whether "black" should or shouldn't be capitalized, but it might be an appropriate place for someone to indicate why "Jewish" should be omitted but not "Muslim" if there's a valid reason for that. –Roy McCoy (talk) 12:30, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Glad you have found the discussion that you chastised me for not having taken part in. Also notice that you have reverted to your edit, rather than leave it how it was, while the discussion takes place, which is not the way things are normally done. I can see from your history that you are prone to edit wars and I certainly have no interest in starting another. You can't have your preposterous, over the top, tautology though.NEDOCHAN (talk) 07:52, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Khabib himself proudly cites the first Muslim UFC champion achievement again and again. It's covered by major media outlets and is fact of major cultural significance. He's an inspirational figue and his achievement is breaking barriers for underprivileged Muslim population around the world. But I guess facts shouldn't get in the way when a snarky Wikipedia editor is on a power trip and wants to start an edit war based on his religious hatred and bigotry. Shopnochura (talk) 16:47, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Totally agree. It's been covered widely and is significant.NEDOCHAN (talk) 19:07, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

I still think it's as important (or not important) as the Russian bit. So if one stays, the other should. Both are no secret in the mass media. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:37, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I see the argument here to keep the content is that it has got references. Sourcing does not guarantee inclusion, no matter how many references are there, media reports everything, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so the content to be added in an encyclopedia should be carefully determined. MOS:ETHNICITY says: Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability, being a Muslim is not what defines his notability, it is not a relevant data to establish his notability either. A sportsman represents either himself, his country, team or club, not religion. Religion is not a parameter in sports. It is an arbitrary achievement; based on where the parameter is set, anyone can claim an achievement. Islam is the second largest religion in the world after Christianity, being a Muslim is not even a thing. Religious fanatics may want to highlight it. The Doom Patrol (talk) 13:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Happy to discuss further (although I'm sure you appreciate that it shouldn't have been removed without doing so.) It has received a lot of coverage and I think it's a notable part of his legacy.NEDOCHAN (talk) 17:37, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I already explained why it does not work that way. Got anything new to say?--The Doom Patrol (talk) 07:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

You haven't explained why this shouldn't be included per WP:DEPTH.NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Already explained and you still haven't contested it, but continues WP:REHASH. The Doom Patrol (talk) 14:37, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2020 (2)

Significant information missing from Nurmagomedov vs. McGregor section. It was the first time Khabib ever lost a round in the UFC. Conor dominated and won the third round, with Khabib tasting his first loss, breaking his streak.

Add as second sentence in the section: "Nurmagomedov won the first two rounds, but lost to McGregor in the third round. It was the first time Nurmagomedov lost a round in his UFC career".

Source:

References

157.44.143.197 (talk) 10:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done.--The Doom Patrol (talk) 14:51, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2020

As of October 2020, Nurmagomedov is the most-followed Russian celebrity on Instagram,[19] with more than (24 → 25) million followers.[20] 61.6.232.47 (talk) 08:39, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Hello 10:31, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2021

Update picture PunchyLovehole (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Please provide an image that is free use with no copyright concerns. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:59, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2021

Nurmagomedov is not Orthodox, he is Muslim 81.223.98.238 (talk) 23:34, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

 Note: The article states he is Muslim. It states his fighting stance is Orthodox. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:07, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2021

I think Khabibs official height needs to be corrected to more accurate 5'9 (175CM) instead of exaggerated 5'10 (178CM) Guywhocorrectsheights (talk) 13:22, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 13:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

WP:ETHNICITY - Dagestan is not a country but part of Russia

Maestro2016, Good day. I have place a message on your talk page but I guess you reverted my edit before my mesage was pulished on your talk page. Dagestan is not a country and it is part of Russia strictly speaking regardless how how internally Russia government term/define them politically. The body text has already mentioned Nurmagomedov ethnicity/heritage and where he was born, but altermately he is still a Russian, just like Alexander Volkov (fighter), Sergei Pavlovich, Magomed Ankalaev, Muslim Salikhov, Islam Makhachev, Petr Yan and etc - They are are Russians. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia^(talk) 10:15, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in, this came up on Wikiloop for me. I don't see anything necessarily wrong with being more specific about the area of Russia he comes from, I can certainly imagine many articles about American figures for instance talk about the state they come from if it's important to them as Maestro said it was for Khabib. I think the greater issue I saw with your deletion of the paragraph was that you deleted the section about him being the first Muslim to win a title. I think that's an important achievement worth noting in the lead section. --Contrawwftw (talk) 10:27, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

While WP:ETHNICITY does state that ethnicity shouldn't be mentioned in lede, so it would indeed be inappropriate to mention his Avar ethnicity in lede, the same section states regarding what's allowed in the lede: "In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory, where the person is a citizen, national, or permanent resident". Dagestan is a region/territory within Russia, not an ethnicity, so it is perfectly reasonable to mention Dagestan in the lede, especially considering how much Dagestan is integral to Khabib's notability. Furthermore, "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." While it would normally be inappropriate to mention religion in the lede, in this case there are two cited sources which state Khabib is notable for being the "first Muslim" to win a title in UFC, so his religion is also relevant to his notability. So while I agree that Avar shouldn't be mentioned in the lede, Dagestan and Muslim should be mentioned in lede, as those identities are a big part of his notability. Maestro2016 (talk) 10:29, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

@Maestro2016 and Contrawwftw: As for him being a Muslim to win a championship in lead section and the info is "significant enough in part of his achievements because he is a Muslim; however, I dont think him being a Muslim has anything to do with/contribute his mma achievement. However, being the first Muslim would be a different story, and I am fine with the info to be added but do indicate it in also the body text with source as lead is the summary of the significant info of the subject from the body texts section. As for where his ethnicity/heritage or which part of Russia he is from, that would be stated in the body text (like early life/personal life section) which the info is already record. We dont see XXX is was born in US who is a Chinese Texan ......... in Wikipedia lead section as per WP:ETHNICITY for Texas is not a country just like Dagestan is NOT a country and ethnicity should not be in lead section. Thank you. Cassiopeia^(talk) 10:41, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

I think you are misunderstanding what WP:ETHNICITY is actually saying. It states: "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." Nowhere does it say that a state/region within a country shouldn't be mentioned. If anything, it states the opposite that it can be mentioned in the lede: "In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory, where the person is a citizen, national, or permanent resident". I already agreed with you that his Avar ethnicity doesn't need to be mentioned in the lede. But that doesn't apply to Dagestan, which is a region, not an ethnicity. Dagestan is integral to Khabib's notability, as that's where he lives and trains, he always mentions it in his interviews and numerous reliable sources about him discuss Dagestan (partly due to a long history of tensions between Dagestan and Russia), and he is quite possibly the most famous person from Dagestan. I don't see any good reason to remove Dagestan from the lede section. Maestro2016 (talk) 11:39, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Maestro2016 I do know some of the war history of Dagestan/Caucasus region and the tensions between Dagestan and Russia but that Dagestan is still part of Russan (Same as Chechnya is part of Russia and both Dagestan and Chechnya didnt manage to break asway from USSR/Russia and it is normal for such persons who are from those region want to separate themselves what the own birth country due to war/ethnicity/religion/history/etc such as ethnic Kurds or Kurdish people from Iran want to claim Kurdistan is a country; Catalonia think they are different from Spain. Dagestan is one of the 22 republics in Russia due to the ppl from different ethnicity or not Russian. So in that sense Dagestan is still related to Ethnicity guidelines here. However, to say that I would agree Nurmagomedov is arguable most well known person in Dagestan. Cassiopeia^(talk) 02:56, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2021

You say that khabib won the first two round but lost to Conor in the 3rd round. This made it very unclear as to what actually happened. You need to change it to "Conor won the 3rd round. Khabib won the fight in the 4th" or something like that. The way it is worded makes it sound like Conor beat khabib in the 3rd and won the fight. 78.150.19.172 (talk) 11:27, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: It is already clearly mentioned that Khabib won the fight, two sentences after the mention of the loss of the 3rd round. TungstenTime (talk) 14:49, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

joe rogan

why mention rogan's 2 jits blackbelts and not his 2 us open tkd titles (and tkd blackbelt)? neither his grappling or kicking art are equivalent to MMA but both are relevant. https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2022/01/ufc-news-video-joe-rogan-spinning-back-kick — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1006:B05D:FFBC:4449:FB23:AEA5:14D6 (talk) 07:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

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About religion

Khabib is Muslim not orthodox. Please correct this 212.39.104.186 (talk) 21:00, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Coaching record

This was removed, but I think it's relevant to note that Khabib is 16-2 as a coach as of retirement. What are everyone's thoughts? The following was in the article Marty2Hotty (talk) 08:33, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

MMA coach and cornerman

Since retiring in October 2020, Nurmagomedov has been an active coach with American Kickboxing Academy head coach Javier Mendez. He currently coaches and corners Islam Makhachev (UFC), Zubaira Tukhugov (UFC), Tagir Ulanbekov (UFC), Islam Mamedov (Bellator), Gadzhi Rabadanov (Bellator), Saygid Izagakhmaev (ONE Championship) and cousins Abubakar Nurmagomedov (UFC), Umar Nurmagomedov (UFC), and Usman Nurmagomedov (Bellator).

After retirement and as of UFC 272 on March 5, 2022, Nurmagomedov is 16-2 (16 wins / 2 losses) when cornering his fighters with the Islam Mamedov split decision loss at Bellator 273 and Tagir Ulanbekov's unanimous decision loss at UFC 272 being the two losses so far. Nurmagomedov did not corner Saygid Izagakhmaev's 2021 Eagle FC bout against Paulo Cesar although he was in the audience. He also could not corner Izagakhmaev's January 2022 bout. Nurmagomedov did not corner Gadzhi Rabadanov's victory at Bellator 276.

• Islam Makhachev (UFC): 4-0
• Zubaira Tukhugov (UFC): 1-0
• Tagir Ulanbekov (UFC): 2-1
• Abubakar Nurmagomedov (UFC): 1-0
• Umar Nurmagomedov (UFC): 2-0
• Usman Nurmagomedov (Bellator): 3-0
• Islam Mamedov (Bellator): 1-1
• Gadzhi Rabadanov (Bellator): 1-0
• Saygid Izagakhmaev (ONE): 1-0

References

Controversies

The Controversies section is getting overlong and has too much detail. (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 01:18, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2022

It would be better if the main photo of Khabib is one where he holds a UFC belt.

 Not done for now: Please provide an image with an acceptable license, and get consensus to change the main photo. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Lay and pray

jdkdkdk 2409:4066:212:EAD3:C8C3:24A:DC65:E7D4 (talk) 09:25, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2022

In 2021, he signed a contract to play association football for Russian team FC Legion Dynamo.[22] --> Denied by Khabib (https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-khabib-nurmagomedov-clears-air-alleged-fc-legion-dynamo-move) Jonas711 (talk) 12:36, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done, removed from lead. It's been almost a year and to my knowledge he hasn't played for them at all. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 20:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Khabib said ring girls are unnecessary, not useless

If you know Russian please look at the original interview 37.160.146.59 (talk) 13:26, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Nationality

Khabib Nurmagomedov is Avar, not Russian. Russia is a multinational country 178.176.75.154 (talk) 20:28, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2023

Power667 (talk) 13:20, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

change Orthodox to Muslim

 Not done: orthodox is not a religion. M.Bitton (talk) 14:14, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Hasbulla

Khabib also helped out Hasbulla and took him under his wing. To those who are not intrested in mma Hasbulla might be more famous 194.16.3.171 (talk) 07:40, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2023

He doesn’t support Liverpool 2A00:23EE:1210:13F0:8D27:18D3:7DFA:FC6 (talk) 19:57, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. HouseBlaster^talk 22:46, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

khabib nurmegomedov

Khabib Nurmagomedov and his father favorite fighter is George St. prier 110.226.183.22 (talk) 03:53, 23 November 2023 (UTC)