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Requested move 4 May 2022

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The result of the move request was: pages moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 04:36, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

– I originally created Kim Woo-jin (singer) at its present title because Kim Woo-jin (archer) existed at Kim Woo-jin before being moved. However, over the past six months, it has become incredibly evident the singer is the primary topic. Page view trends heavily favor the singer and continue to increase over time, while the archer's remain stagnant. With the false allegations mentioned in the singer's article still haunting him to this day (see the constant vandalism in the page's history since inception), it is unlikely search patterns will change in the foreseeable future. ✗plicit 00:44, 4 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 晚安 (トークページ) 16:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

  • Somewhat skeptical: The singer has only been notable for a few years, and the level of interest in him seems clearly a matter of WP:RECENTISM, partly driven by the above-mentioned allegations that began only a year and a half ago. The archer, on the other hand, set a world record at Olympic trials and has been ranked #1 in the world over a significant period of time. The popularity of the singer will probably fade away more quickly than that of the archer. One the other hand, this is basically a WP:TWODABS situation, where the threshold for considering one topic to be primary may be relatively low. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:30, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Support - Looking at the pageview analysis for the plain title Kim Woo-jin, it shows only two occasions in which the pageviews for that article have spiked beyond the current average pageviews for the singer. One spike was in August 2016, when the archer was participating in the Olympics, and lasted just a few days before the daily pageviews receded to sub-100 (often even sub-50) levels. The second spike was in July 2021, when the documentary about the singer was released, which makes me suspect that this spike was driven by people looking for the singer. According to the article, the singer was also recently cast in an HBO series, suggesting he'll continue to be relevant. On the whole, while there's definitely some possibility of recentism, I think it's likeliest that the singer will continue to be the primary topic. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 19:42, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
On the other hand, the archer is a really, really good archer. His name will sit in the history of that sport for a long time to come. He has been ranked #1 in the world, is a three-time recurve World Champion, is an Olympic gold medalist, and from 2016–2019 he held the world-record score of 700 with 72 arrows at a 70-metre distance (surpassed by Brady Ellison with a 702 in 2019). Pop singers often fade away. (Also, someone just added a third candidate topic to the dab page.) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 13:04, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
All these achievements and the English-speaking world still doesn't care about the archer. Isn't that amazing? Pageviews Analysis says it all: from July 2015 to November 2021 when the archer occupied Kim Woo-jin, it averaged 50 daily page views over the course of six years. I find it odd that you argue in favor of a disambiguation over WP:RECENTISM, but ignore that the first spike in views occurred during the 2016 Olympics as recentism at the time which lasted a few days. His "popularity" then tanked, remained on the floor for years, then spiked again thanks to the recentism of the 2020 Olympics. Meanwhile, the singer had one scandal in 2020, one album in 2021, and won't see his first TV series air until next year, but still attracts significantly more traffic. It is pretty clear who the readers are looking for when they search "Kim Woo-jin". ✗plicit 14:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Just in case it was not already clear, I have not objected to the proposal. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 13:54, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 13 September 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. Per discussions below. Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans 18:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Kim Woo-jin → Kim Woojin – Move from Kim Woo-jin to Kim Woojin per WP:COMMONNAME. While on paper the official romanization of his name is "Kim Woo-jin", Kim has never used a hyphen in his name professionally and has never been commonly referred to that way. Kim is most commonly known as either "Kim Woojin" or, during his period with Stray Kids, mononymously as just "Woojin". Proposing removing the hyphen from article title to properly reflect the most common way Kim's name is presented. RachelTensions (talk) 15:44, 13 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 07:51, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Also presenting Google Trends data - [1] - The only time where the hyphenated version went above the non-hyphenated version was during the 2024 Olympics when Kim Woo-jin (archer) was competing. It is notable that the Kim (the archer) is commonly referred to with the hyphenated version but Kim (the singer) is not. RachelTensions (talk) 15:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Also presenting Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean) which states that "Personal names should generally be romanized according to their common usage in English sources." and that given names should be hyphenated only "if there is no personal preference and no established English spelling". RachelTensions (talk) 15:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Note: WikiProject Composers, WikiProject Pop music, WikiProject Musicians, and WikiProject Korea have been notified of this discussion. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 07:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@RachelTensions I was wondering why you keep wikilinking the album name in single section? As far as I know and how the common practice in discography, it shouldn't be wikilink. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 06:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Thought we linked once per table if contextually relevant per MOS:DL, but anyway, I fixed it RachelTensions (talk) 06:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
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