Talk:LGBT in the Middle East

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German versions of Klauda works[edit]

It's important to have these, so that in case someone wants to write about this in French, Arabic, etc. they can translate directly from the original German.

We have the German version of one:

I just have to get the other one WhisperToMe (talk) 23:31, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Found another:

Start text: "Nach dem 11. September 2001 war eine der liberalen Rechtfertigungen für die militärische Intervention gegen Afghanistan die Unterdrückung der Frauen, aber" (and the title of the chapter is "Postkoloniale begegnungen") WhisperToMe (talk) 06:38, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Old profile page of Before Homosexuality[edit] - See archives on Wayback Machine:*/ WhisperToMe (talk) 23:40, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

I found a book review of this book, so it may be a good idea to gather more book reviews and write a Wikipedia article on the book itself!!!

WhisperToMe (talk) 23:42, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Sabine Schmidtke on Europeans in the 19th Century and the Arab world[edit]


  • Schmidtke, Sabine. "Before Homosexuality in the Arab-Islamic World, 1500-1800 (Book Review)" Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London, 2006, Vol.69(2), pp. 319–321. ISSN: 0041977X ; E-ISSN: 14740699. On JSTOR. p. 319 says:
    • "In poetry the masculine beloved was as a rule translated into feminine, and sensitive passages were often rendered into Latin rather than French or German. [My note: It means homoerotic Muslim poetry was changed to target the female instead of the male, and Klauda talks about this in his works] By the same token, representatives of the homosexual liberation movement that emerged during the nineteenth century incorporated Arabic and Persian love poetry with homosexual connotations into their literary canon. Translations of the Arabian Nights, of Shaykh Nafzawrī’s Perfumed Garden and of poetry by Abū Nuwās or Sa‘dī are even now among the titles to be found in virtually every list of gay literature."

She stated that in history European travelers and scholars "were astonished, often disgusted" (from same page!) to encounter the same-sex poetry and actions in the eastern world.

I wonder where more information on this can be found, and even if there is a way to write an article on 19th Century European interactions with the Arab-Muslim world in regards to homosexuality WhisperToMe (talk) 16:37, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

There was a time, everyone(except eastern world) shared same view. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 17:02, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

On Samar Habib's book[edit]

So far I have one review:

  • Stockdale, Nancy L. "Female Homosexuality in the Middle East: histories and representations SAMAR HABIB" (review). Women's History Review, 2012, Vol.21(3), p.501-503 [Peer Reviewed Journal]

In order for this to pass WP:GNG it needs two reviews. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:19, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

With 2-3 reliable sources we can make a page about the book. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 07:37, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Social pressure[edit]

I'm afraid I don't understand this statement: "Furthermore the reports of official and social discrimination on sexual orientation remains unfounded because of social pressure of not to discuss LGBT matters". Contaldo80 (talk) 11:00, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Dearth of references[edit]

There is not a single inline citation provided for any of the statements made in the lead. Obviously, this is unacceptable and should be corrected immediately. (talk) 07:26, 15 June 2016 (UTC)