Talk:Lackfi family

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Hi I am Peter Lackovic from Slovakia and looking for any informations about our family. If do you have something, please write me email to lackovic@lackovic.sk. THX

Croatian origin?[edit]

The article contradict itself. First it states that the family was a Croatian-Hungarian, but in the later text there is no connection with Croatia. In stead of the text suggests that the family is clearly from an old Hungarian clan.

Yes, I think the article is perhaps a bit Croatian-biased. It is a Hungarian noble family. While they family did rule in Croatia (but not exclusively), it was done during the period when Croatia was in union with Hungary, and ruled by the Hungarian king. Thus they were Hungarian nobles who's power was granted by the Hungarian king. Even if it was over Croatian soil. I'd like to change the article to use the name Lackfi, but that might be perceived by some as switching a Croatian bias for a Hungarian one. I'll check up if there's guidelines for this stuff. --BluePlatypus 10:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The question was raised at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archive 43#POV question re: nationality, but there was no definitive answer. I'm also unsure about keeping it at Lacković given their origin, although any action might be a bit poignant. I've explained it in the article a bit better, at least. --Joy [shallot] 19:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"By origin the Lacković family was Magyar (Hungarian), but since they ruled over the southern regions of the Lands of the Crown of St. Stephen, the Croatian rendition of the surname is commonly used." by Croatians and Serbians etc.

I think in English the name appears as Lackovic when the author's reference is Croatian/Serbian and Lackfi if his reference is Hungarian.

There were several family members that were active in other parts of the Kingdom of Hungary but not in Croatia (Transylvania, Transdanubia, Ruthenia, etc.). The historical record for these would go by Lackfi: Why use Croatian form for a Transylvanian office holder? I support Lackfi or Lackfi/Lacković for the page name.Hollomis 16:28, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kán family origin[edit]

The connection between Kán and Lackfi family is in dispute. According to [1], the ancestor of the Lackfi family is László (Lack), sometimes called Kerekegyházi Lack , fl 1323-59. He was the son of Dénes from the clan Hermán/Hermány, not (as previously thought) of László II Kán, the Voivode of Transylvania. [2] Hollomis 16:28, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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"At the end of the 19th century some members of the Lacković family settled in Romania near the Danube and alongside local nobility helped form the new burgeoisie of the then emerging new state of Romania. Along with the arriving of the communist regime in Romania, they sufered a severe set-back, having all their estates confiscated and also sent to prison for political reasons. Descendants form the romanian branch of the House of Lacković still live in present-day Romania."

Sources? The Lackfi de Simontornya,Kerekegyháza family never used the name Lackovic. Alexandru Paleologu - Politetea ca arma - 2000 Neagu Djuvara - Între Orient şi Occident. Ţările române la începutul epocii moderne, Editura Humanitas, 1995 They were talking about a branch of the family coming from Croatia and in this situation the use of the name Lackovic is understandable.

"The Lackfi died out in 1421. However there are some more family with this name, but they are not related." How come ? Do you have some serious sources for this ? Or is it just a suposition ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seleos (talk • contribs) 11:10, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: MOved — Amakuru (talk) 10:14, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

House of Lacković → Lackfi family – The current name of the article is based on false information and misinterpretations (most of them were already deleted from the article).

Numerous English-language academic works use the proposed (native) name. For that, see GB results
The Lacki family was the most powerful family in the second half of the 14th century in the Kingdom of Hungary. It was a clearly Hungarian noble family, descended from a Hungarian kindred of German origin (they arrived to Hungary possibly with Gisela of Hungary), clan Hermán (or Hermány) which had estates in Transylvania and today's Eastern Hungary.
The ancestor of the family was Lack, Count of the Székelys (a Hungarian court dignity). Lackfi means "a son of Lack" ("Lack-fi" = Lack fia), which became a family surname after that (similarly to Bánffy or Bánfi --> "son of the Ban"). The family had several powerful members, who held the dignities of Palatine of Hungary, Voivode of Transylvania, Ban of Croatia, Master of the treasury etc. The Ban of Croatia was a royal dignity appointed by the King of Hungary. When they held this office, of course, they gained lands in today's Croatia (including Slavonia, which was the integral part of Hungary then), but they belonged to the Hungarian nobility, fought in the Hungarian royal army (see Louis I of Hungary's Italian campaigns) and so on.
Hungary and Croatia had a common history. In these 900 years, several noble families became landowners either in Hungary and Croatia and marital and political relationship has been established between them. Lackfi/Lacković, Garai/Gorjanski, Talovac/Tallóci, Horvat/Horváti, Újlaki/Iločki, Batthyány/Baćan, Zrinski/Zrínyi, Frankopan/Frangepán, Erdődy/Erdödy... we can continue the line, but the adaptation of 19th-century nationalism into medieval conditions is harmful and anachronistic... from both sides. --Norden1990 (talk) 18:26, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support, in accordance with the above argumentation. Borsoka (talk) 03:09, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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