Talk:Larval food plants of Lepidoptera
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List naming
[edit]Shouldn't the lists listed in this, um, list follow the naming scheme: "List of Lepidoptera that feed on..." instead of "which"? I believe the use of "which" requires a comma before it. Use of "that" sounds better to me, but I'm no grammar expert. Just a thought. Cheers, --Rkitko (talk) 04:44, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
- Also, the titles should use proper capitalization. For example, "grasses" is not a proper noun, nor is "elms". --Rkitko (talk) 18:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, they are all grammatically incorrect. Ugh. I fixed one (Ash), before stumbling onto this page. This will be a lot of work, as the links need to be changed in the various articles also (leaving as a redirect grammatically incorrect in each usage. --Storkk (talk) 17:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Fixing the grammar
[edit]I'm going to start this, but I anticipate it will be a slow process, so any help would be appreciated. The following is a list of all of them. If done, they will be struck out (like this). If anyone decides to help, please don't just move the pages, but also correct links using the "What links here" special page, so that articles are also grammatically correct. Thanks! --Storkk (talk) 17:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
- Note: capitalization of non-proper nouns should also be fixed, and for consistency's sake, I think all plant names should be plural (unless as a latin name, they already are) --Storkk (talk) 16:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- This still leaves some difficulty, e.g. "heather". --Storkk (talk) 17:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'm no horticulturalist, but Abelia is a genus name so it should remain capitalized. I guess to be entirely accurate, it should be something like "List of Lepidoptera that feed on Abelia species" or something like that. Abelia may also be the common name associated with those plants in horticulture, as Latin has its way of sometimes diffusing into gardening culture. I must say, you're doing a great job on this already. As for the problem with "heather", it's often used as a plural itself. If you'd like, we could present this problem to WP:PLANTS and see what others think. User:Hardyplants, I believe, is a horticulturalist and may be better suited to answering some of the more difficult determinations on capitalization and pluralization. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 17:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- This still leaves some difficulty, e.g. "heather". --Storkk (talk) 17:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I've done all that I can be reasonably sure about except for Poplar, which, because of previous moves cannot be de-capitalized by a non-admin such as myself. I pluralized "rhododendron" as "rhododendrons" as that's how it's done in the rhododendron article, though i thought it was "rhododendra". I'll post this to WP:PLANTS now, and let people who know more than I do do the rest. I think best practice is that if a genus has a single major common name, it should probably be used instead of the latin for consistency's sake (i.e. what was done substituting "plantains" for "Plantago"). Good luck to whoever finishes this. --Storkk (talk) 19:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- Great work! I completed the move over the multiple edit redirect on the poplars one. If I find the time I'll come back to this and work on the others. Hopefully we'll get some feedback at WikiProject Plants and maybe some help. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 00:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I make no claims to be an expert-but I can contribute: If you are referring to a genus as a classification name it is italizied and the first letter capitalized, it can not be made plural because it is one unit. Lepidoptera which feed on Achillea. there is only one genus called Achillea.
If a common name and the genus name are the same the common name can be made plural but refers to a collective group of plants and not the genus. Some common names can like aster, refer to groups of plants that are not in the genus Aster. So "I like asters", is a larger group than "I like Aster plants". When referring to just a few, I like five Aster species, limits the group to those species in the genus.
Heather would refer to to all plants commonly called heathers including those in the genus Callunas and Ericas. The problem now is do you capatizes the first letter of a common name- and the answer is: be consistent, this is an issue that is not uniformly settled in the "real word" but I think wikipedia has some rules that cover this, arrived at after a number of long and sometimes contentious discourses. Hardyplants (talk) 19:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- After your comment, I was emboldened to do the great majority of those remaining. All those that remain, I'm still unsure about. Those are: Cirsium (has that become a common noun in English?), Heather (this has, but how to word it correctly?), Prunus (I'm at a loss), and Tilia ("Lime" would seem very confusing to those unfamiliar with the tree). Only 4 left! Cheers, --Storkk (talk) 23:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Finally did the last two (Tilia and Cirsium), hopefully correctly. At least it's now better than it was before. --Storkk (talk) 09:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
List of Lepidoptera which feed on AbeliaList of Lepidoptera which feed on AchilleaList of Lepidoptera which feed on AldersList of Lepidoptera which feed on ArtemisiaList of Lepidoptera which feed on AshesList of Lepidoptera which feed on AsterList of Lepidoptera which feed on AtriplexList of Lepidoptera which feed on BeechesList of Lepidoptera which feed on BeetList of Lepidoptera which feed on BirchesList of Lepidoptera which feed on Birds-foot trefoilsList of Lepidoptera which feed on BrassicasList of Lepidoptera which feed on BroomsList of Lepidoptera which feed on BuckthornsList of Lepidoptera which feed on CamelliaList of Lepidoptera which feed on CastaneaList of Lepidoptera which feed on CentaureaList of Lepidoptera which feed on ChenopodiumList of Lepidoptera which feed on ChrysanthemumList of Lepidoptera which feed on CirsiumList of Lepidoptera which feed on CloversList of Lepidoptera which feed on Cotton plantsList of Lepidoptera which feed on DandelionsList of Lepidoptera which feed on ElmsList of Lepidoptera which feed on EucalyptusList of Lepidoptera which feed on GaliumList of Lepidoptera which feed on GoldenrodsList of Lepidoptera which feed on GrapevinesList of Lepidoptera which feed on GrassesList of Lepidoptera which feed on HawthornsList of Lepidoptera which feed on HazelsList of Lepidoptera which feed on HeatherList of Lepidoptera which feed on HelianthusList of Lepidoptera which feed on HoneysucklesList of Lepidoptera which feed on IpomoeaList of Lepidoptera which feed on JuncusList of Lepidoptera which feed on LarchesList of Lepidoptera which feed on LettucesList of Lepidoptera which feed on MalusList of Lepidoptera which feed on MaplesList of Lepidoptera which feed on OaksList of Lepidoptera which feed on Pear treesList of Lepidoptera which feed on PinesList of Lepidoptera which feed on PlantagoList of Lepidoptera which feed on PolygonumList of Lepidoptera which feed on PoplarsList of Lepidoptera which feed on PotentillaList of Lepidoptera which feed on PrunusList of Lepidoptera which feed on RagweedsList of Lepidoptera which feed on RhododendronList of Lepidoptera which feed on RibesList of Lepidoptera which feed on RosesList of Lepidoptera which feed on RubusList of Lepidoptera which feed on RumexList of Lepidoptera which feed on SenecioList of Lepidoptera which feed on SileneList of Lepidoptera which feed on SolanumList of Lepidoptera which feed on SorbusList of Lepidoptera which feed on SprucesList of Lepidoptera which feed on Strawberry plantsList of Lepidoptera which feed on TiliaList of Lepidoptera which feed on VacciniumList of Lepidoptera which feed on ViburnumList of Lepidoptera which feed on Willows
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