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Is the White Supremist section really needed?[edit]

Is this really necessary? Isn't there some standard on wikipedia about historical relevancy? I don't see how one guy moving into town and buying up plots is at all relevant. I think it's just because he has a controversial opinion is why. I'm sure there are plenty of other people buying up plots elsewhere for whatever reason, except they don't get mentioned because certain people are not opposed to their opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.249.71 (talk) 00:24, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Frankly, it's the best-known thing about Leith nowadays. We need not approve of, or disapprove of, these people, in order to see that Leith is as obscure as most other towns its size, except for this bizarre bit of history; you may compare its brush with fame to that of Forks, Washington. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:22, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
The primary reason it belongs in the article is that this subject matter has been in national news. I would prefer the text for the section be thinned down to the most important information. I'm neutral on the subject matter, just like Wikipedia is suppose to be. • SbmeirowTalk • 20:22, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
There are ways of thinning that section down that don't involve completely removing all mention of the Duttons, you know (there are seven of 'em! Seven! Enough so that the town is now 1/3 white supremacist....isn't that notable?) FiredanceThroughTheNight (talk) 01:54, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Start a new article, then make it as long as you want. This article is primarily about the "City of Leith"...not every little detail of recent events. • SbmeirowTalk • 13:54, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Too much information about the white supremists in this article. If you want to list every detail, then do it in another article! I'm considering "pulling out my axe" to thin it down. • SbmeirowTalk • 08:11, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
I thinned down the history section. This article should have a brief high-level summary instead of a bunch of details. The details need to be put in some other article, like Craig's article. The approach is no different that other major news stories, for example see Newtown, Connecticut of how there is a brief summary in the city article about the school shooting. Please fix / clarify / minor expansion, but please don't add a bunch of text. • SbmeirowTalk • 05:21, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

City - it's a joke![edit]

What sort of city has 16 residents? It's not even a village - it's a hamlet. Francis Hannaway (talk) 11:19, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Will somebody back me up here - by no stretch of the imagination is this tiny collection of dwellings a city. If the general readership - and c'mon Americans ... there's more than you reading English - see that there is mention of a city they will think ... oh, like New York, like Beijing. That's what we mean when we say "city". OK let's look at the word "town": Milwaukee calls itself "the biggest small town in America". Its population is over 594,833 - yet it only ever claims to be a town (not a city). Please, will someone agree that Leith is a hamlet, which for some reason is known as a city in North Dakota? Francis Hannaway (talk) 17:42, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia articles for populated places in the USA (and likely other countries) use the LEGAL term as defined by each governing authority, like the state of North Dakota in this case. • SbmeirowTalk • 19:39, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
See intro of List of cities in North Dakota, which is also true of Kansas. Though it doesn't have a reference, I have found legal wording on other state website that describe their legal definition for various sized population centers. • SbmeirowTalk • 17:13, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
See §40-01-02 of the North Dakota Century Code; all North Dakota municipalities are officially "city of __________". It would be factually inaccurate to say specifically that it's not a city, or that it's a town or village. Terms such as "hamlet" are subjective: Joe Bloggs' definition of a hamlet may be John Doe's definition of a reasonable town. It's basically like saying that the City of York just embraces the areas near the walls, because cities are built-up areas, not built-up areas plus rural zones around them. Meanwhile, Milwaukee definitely calls itself a city; see their home page, where at least three times (plus the rotating thing near the top, with stuff like the State of the City address) they refer to themselves as the City of Milwaukee. You have to remember that US municipal law varies from state to state; towns in Wisconsin are chunks of counties comparable to civil townships in North Dakota, and the town of Milwaukee was quite distinct from the city of Milwaukee. Nyttend (talk) 18:12, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Sbreirow and Nyttend-Leith, North Dakota is classified as a city according to North Dakota state law. Each state has their own system concerning local government that is defined in its laws or constitution. Thank you. RFD 18:38, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
It may well be that for some strange reason North Dakota classifies every settlement as a city, but what Wikipedia must do is present a text which is accessible to the English speaking world - be it in India, Guyana of the rest of the United States. My edit allowed for the idiosyncratic naming policy of the North Dakota government, being, "is a hamlet, although officially classed under North Dakota law as a city". Remember that this article is not just for a North Dakota audience, and that people need to no that a North Dakota "city" is not a city, at all. So, my edit is a compromise to all parties - it allows Leith to be known as a city, but qualifies the use of the world. If "hamlet" doesn't stretch into your vocabulary, small village could be used. It's not a flippant point - "city" is not a settlement of 16 people. Francis Hannaway (talk) 11:50, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Incidentally, my reference to Milwaukee was based on what a friend from Milwaukee told me many years ago - but I've found a reference to it here: here Scroll down to "Get Involved in Milwaukee". Francis Hannaway (talk) 12:02, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Hamlet is an actual legal term used in New York and Oregon, but not in North Dakata, thus the term shouldn't be used, as you wanted to use. If a person reads the entire intro, the "population of 16 people" makes it completely OBVIOUS that Leith isn't a mega-city. There are numerous tiny towns in the USA and their articles use the proper legal term in their Wikipedia article, plus the ones that I've seen don't elaborate about the "city" term in the intro. There are other small towns in the same county as Leith and those article use the term "city" in their articles too. I'm sure that Nyttend and RFD can elaborate, though at this point all of us are beating a dead horse on this topic. • SbmeirowTalk • 19:06, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
I heard that the dead horse was one of the city's inhabitants. Francis Hannaway (talk) 22:14, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
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