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Potential missing episode here

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So we have an interesting situation here. There's a production code of 221 in the table—"We Didn't Start the Fire"—but only 20 episode entries. We also have four missing production codes: 207, 209, 213, and 216, though there are only three production code cells with TBA in the table, so there's another episode out there. However, with the May schedule already out and no new Bunk'd episodes scheduled to air, the only possible theories I can come up with is that they're planning on airing whatever production code our missing episode is sometime in June or beyond or a season three renewal is likely and they're holding onto that episode and planning on airing it during the third season. In addition, next week's new episode is being advertised as just that, a typical new episode. Thoughts? Inviting the usual fantastic four to this: Geraldo Perez, IJBall, MPFitz1968, and Nyuszika7H. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:40, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Couple o' points: First, Futon doesn't list all the Prod. Codes, so it's possible that Disney has a typo in there somewhere that's leading to some kind of misnumbering. Second, even if it is correct, it is not unprecedented – there have been situations in the past where an episode script has actually received a prod. code, but then was ultimately not filmed in favor of another episode script (with a different prod. code): in other words, more scripts were written than were ultimately filmed/produced – I can't think of a specific example of this happening, but I know I've heard about something like this happening before... Anyway, I think we'll have to wait to see what prod. codes Futon Critic ultimately comes up with... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:44, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@IJBall: That's an interesting point right there regarding one episode script being used over the other, and I take it production codes can't be recycled? Like, if Episode X with a production code of 104 is tossed away in favor of Episode Y with a production code of 108, couldn't Episode Y then just become production code 104? Then the next episode script would start at production code 108, given that the 101–103 and 105–107 production codes already exist. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:53, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) All conjecture for what a network is planning on doing with the episodes it buys. Hold it back for the next season, use it as a special, reject it outright as inappropriate in some way and never air it. Need to just wait and see unless they tell us what's going on. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:46, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'm guessing we found the missing episode, "The Great Escape" [1]. Now to see whether Disney Channel identifies this as the season finale or not - with the production code likely to come before "We Didn't Start the Fire" (221) means it was made earlier, so use of the term season finale won't sound right. I guess that's why the series overview tables now have that as "Last aired". I'm thinking this will be the last episode of the season as Netflix is scheduled to release season 2 on May 28, and if I recall right, Netflix can't release a season until after it has completed on the network it originally airs on. Also, I noticed the bizarre day and time "The Great Escape" is scheduled to air, according to Screener ... May 24 (Wednesday) at 11:30pm (in my time zone on Disney Channel west, translates to 10:30pm U.S. Eastern time on Disney Channel east). MPFitz1968 (talk) 21:01, 12 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

From looking at Wikia and Twitter comments—yes, I do know those aren't reliable, just saying—"The Great Escape" is either 213 or 216. Bunk'd Wikia is saying 213 for "Mother May I?" Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:16, 12 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@MPFitz1968: There's now a short synopsis of the episode: Xander and Emma learn two of their campers have a crush on one another. [2] Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:01, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@MPFitz1968: Is season two released on Netflix yet? If so, we could use that to support the end of season two as they can't release stuff until a season has completed as you said. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:05, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's on iTunes, but it's the same old problem – they don't do "seasons" on there, they do "volumes". It looks like "Volumes 3 & 4" are "season 2". "The Great Escape" is indeed the last episode in "Volume 4"... One more thing – iTunes has the episode title of 2.1 as "Griff Is in the House", etc. I really think we should flip the titles for the first 5 episodes of season #5 – the second titles seem to be the correct ones. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:45, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Both Amazon and iTunes just release episodes the day after they air at 12:00 AM. From what Michael has said, Netflix actually waits and releases an entire season at once after a certain season has aired. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:40, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Amaury: I was looking for season 2 on Netflix, but for whatever reason, it's not available at this time. May 28 was supposed to be the release date, from various sources that report what is coming to Netflix each month. [3][4][5] MPFitz1968 (talk) 05:28, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"We Didn't Start the Fire" - assumed finale of season 2, but still needs to be sourced

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From multiple edits to the series overview table filling in the "Last aired" date (and the number of episodes) for season 2 - most recently [6] - contributors are making the assumption that "We Didn't Start the Fire", which aired on April 28, 2017, is the season finale. I will not disagree with them based on the content of this episode, but it is still unsourced. Our usual references - The Futon Critic, Screener, and Disney ABC Press - said nothing about it being the season finale, and Disney Channel itself never identified the episode as the season finale in their promo. So we are left to keep the season 2 entry in the series overview table incomplete until a reliable source can confirm that it was the last episode of the season, until an air date for the first episode of season 3 is announced (though there has been no word that there will be a season 3 yet), or until at least a year after the last episode has passed. MPFitz1968 (talk) 23:24, 1 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Question

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Can I Put in a brief plot of an episode? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fourlaxers (talk • contribs) 23:15, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming you watched the episode and brief means a short summary of what happened in the episode, in your own words, of what you saw, it would be appreciated. But see also WP:COPYVIO and WP:PLAGIARISM and avoid doing that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:23, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bunk'd season 3

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While not a reliable source, this has said that Bunk'd has been renewed for a while now and that site and similar sites are pretty much always accurate—other than saying stuff like Liv and Maddie was canceled when it, in fact, just ended, but those essentially both mean ended, just of different types—we just can't trust them enough. We also had this casting call before that, which was reliable, and I raised a discussion somewhere about it, but I can't find it. Despite being reliable, we couldn't really use it as, per Geraldo, it was only the production team being hopeful as the rug could still be pulled from under them. Now we have this tweet saying that Skai Jackson confirmed Bunk'd was renewed for season three with production to begin in September. Obviously, that's also not reliable, and even if it were from Skai Jackson's verified Twitter, we still couldn't use it as she is not the showrunner or the network. Doesn't mean it's not true, just can't, again, trust it enough. Makes me wonder, though, why we haven't seen anything from our reliable sources confirming this, such as Deadline or Variety. For now, it's probably worth keeping an eye on this, especially because I have a feeling we hay have IPs try to use those two unreliable sources here or on the parent article.

A relevant talk page discussion: User talk:MPFitz1968/Archive 6#Bizaardvark and Bunk'd

Pinging Geraldo Perez, MPFitz1968, Nyuszika7H, and IJBall. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:08, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My view: wait until production actually begins in September before adding anything to the article, in the absence of an "official" renewal announcement source. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:14, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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"Up, Up and Away"

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Very strange that The Futon Critic and Disney ABC Press don't report this episode at all, while Zap2it has an air date of August 26, 2018 - which I'm guessing is not when it originally aired. Meanwhile, Zap2it is also indicating under upcoming episodes that it airs later today (September 21 @ 5:30pm Denver time). My guess is that this will be the original airing of the episode on Disney Channel, but I don't know for sure. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:03, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also, there have been edits at the parent article, like here, about this being the last episode of the series, but no sources have been presented about that. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:04, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A promo video on YouTube does indicate a new episode airing on September 21, and while the video title shows "series finale", the promo itself doesn't say that - it says "special episode". The promo appears to be reliable, but where the video is located makes it unlikely to be used as a source here. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:19, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
An IP edit at the parent article included a URL to an Instagram from Disney Channel's page there in their summary. The Instagram doesn't directly say that the series is over, just a "thank you" to the fans, timestamped on the air date of this episode. Doesn't appear sufficient to directly source the series' end date, so I reverted. MPFitz1968 (talk) 14:40, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I was hoping Disney would use those words, but the promo doesn't... Still, based on "16 episodes" in season #3, and Skai Jackson's social media post, it's certainly enough to put an "end date" on season #3 in the 'series overview' table, and I feel it's enough to put an end date on the series itself as well. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:02, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is here is that, unlike Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn, we don't have any reliable sources stating how many episodes the third season of Bunk'd has nor do we have an official announcement from a reliable source confirming Bunk'd is ending after the third season. So we can't really do the whole # = # thing to, at the very least, put a season finale date. People for sure thought the season two finale was April 28, 2017, and we had disruptive editors showing up and putting that in—in addition to claiming it was the series finale—but that didn't turn out to be true because of the continuity error that was "The Great Escape" (May 24, 2017). Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:24, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Huh... I thought we did have that. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:33, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, except for maybe Liv and Maddie and Girl Meets World, Disney Channel's episode orders are pretty much never in the renewal announcements. Nickelodeon is more consistent in that department, at least. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:44, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, this is an interesting source (scroll down to #7, Peyton List) – "The Disney Channel star revealed she’s moving on from the network after the conclusion of Bunk’d later this year... I think we can use this – that's fairly definitive... I'll keep looking around right now. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:55, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK, THR source above is the only one I could find. But I think we can use that to support the idea that the show has ended. But probably not enough to justify end-dates or an S3 episode count... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:10, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We now have an episode count @IJBall. Further sources include The Futon Critic, which references the season episode count, TVSeriesFinale which notes the series has been canceled, and several cast interviews. Many mention the show was going to end after the third season, and with a known season end date and episode count (from reliable source Futon Critic), my opinion is the show is over.--Jonathan Joseph (talk) 02:35, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Futon Critic does not state that the series is over, it states that it is on hiatus (of new episodes) and, in addition, it also states "completed airing its third season on 9/21/18; has yet to be renewed for a fourth season." Nothing there screams series finale. TV Series Finale is WP:NOTRS, and cast interviews are meaningless since they don't speak for the series. And even they aren't sure as cast members like Peyton List and Will Buie Jr. have said that the series could continue with a fourth season, just that Peyton List definitely wouldn't be returning if it does. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:44, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now moot, with the recent renewal news. This, kids, is why we don't jump to conclusions. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:54, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Split to season articles

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With Bunk'd well into season six and Disney Channel renewing the series for an incredible seventh season (who knows how many additional seasons will be ordered beyond that), the LoE article is surely becoming quite big. The page history is showing the article size well over 200k right now. Although more information will need to be provided about each season per MOS:TV, and not just the episode list tables, I would be in favor of a split at this point. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:08, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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