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Is Alan Wright still a blade?

- No. Changed. In future, can you sign your posts on talk page with 4 tildes (~~~~). L.J.Skinner^{wot|I did} 11:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

The article name contradicts the lead description. Is it former players only or both former and current? If former players only, the lead should be changed. If former and current, the article should be called List of Sheffield United F.C. players. --Jameboy (talk) 01:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Jameboy - the convention in Category:Lists of footballers by club is 'List of XXX players'. -- roundhouse0 (talk) 13:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree with this. hawksworthm (talk) 20:54, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Move per standard conventions of WP:FOOTY and WP:MOS.Woody (talk) 20:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC) Move: List of Sheffield United F.C. former players → List of Sheffield United F.C. players[reply]
Reason: in order to fit the existing WP:FOOTY naming conventions, as well as to meet the criteria specified in the list's own lead.

As a side issue, I recommend that inclusion criteria be applied and the players tabulated (List of Aston Villa F.C. players is a good example to follow) as the list looks like it is turning into a copy of the Category:Sheffield United F.C. players --Jameboy (talk) 21:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related page moves. Jameboy (talk) 21:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. – Pee Jay 23:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move per nom. Matthew_hk t c 12:25, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Inclusion Criteria & tabulation

Nice idea Jameboy. Discussion here —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lewisskinner (talk • contribs) 14:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Format

I would suggest getting rid of the position column (given the fact that many players can play in multiple positions), and merging the appearance column into one i.e. just 'total', no need for starts + subs to be separated. I'm also not sure you need every player individually referenced - surely the 'Sheffield United Who's Who' as a general reference would suffice? The photos also need integrating into the table or removing altogether - having over a dozen photos down one side, with lots of white space next to them, looks awful. Giant Snowman 15:46, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The format is lifted pretty much wholesale from the page: List of Manchester United F.C. players which has achieved featured page status so I'm assuming is OK. The intention is to expand some of the prose once the list is finished and move some of the images then.Bladeboy1889 (talk) 16:14, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with BladesBoy1889, the article is based on on Man Utd's version of the article. I see no harm in mentioning a players primary position. Phil Jags has played as goal Goalkeeper before under NW's management, and strikers regularly play in midfield and midfielders can double up in defence or attack. But most have a primary position. Also listing starting and substitute appearances is a greater deal more knowledge and I find it enriching to this encyclopaedia. IJA (talk) 16:41, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also once we have finished the table, we should add a captain's table listing all the skippers. And we can even include Vice Captains if applicable. IJA (talk) 16:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What about wingers - are they MF or FW? Or archaic positions, such as wing half/inside forward etc.? I can see your points about matching other tables, but that doesn't mean it's right though. I'll start a discussion at WT:FOOTY regarding formatting, so we can agree on one across the board. Cheers, Giant Snowman 17:17, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But the same can be applied to squad tables. IJA (talk) 17:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Snap - I was just about to say that - positions are used across all football articles and an educated decision should just be taken as to which category a player fits within. The Man U page has an explanation of how it deals with historic positions which i was going to rehash. Bladeboy1889 (talk) 17:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Don't even start on that ;) - Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football‎#Watford current squad. Giant Snowman 17:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just saying regarding positions, stick with status quo until something else is agreed upon and established. Aka Wingers are currently classed as a time of midfielder on Wiki, I'm not by any means saying they are but that is how things currently stand. And yes I've been involved with that horrible heated debate. IJA (talk) 17:31, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]