Talk:List of The Land Before Time characters

Merge

I came across various Land Before Time articles and noticed some discussion on merging. The question seemed to be yes, but also where? So I've created this page, hopefully it'll expand some more as more characters get added. There seem to be about 2 people (who have chimed in on the pages) that disagree with the merge, and about 5 people (so far, when you include me) who have agreed that they should be merged. So, discuss. Radagast83 22:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Though I've come to believe that the main characters in the series are probably notable enough for inclusion in seperate articles, at least for the time being, though each article needs a lot of cleanup (much of what is found in the infoboxes is crufty at best).Radagast83 08:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Merge the main characters? I think they are important enought to be kept. Bowser Junior Nutt.

Oppose all merges except Mr. Thicknose. He definitely shouldn't have his own page. --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 21:52, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree, Mr. Thicknose should be merged. The others, however, should not. -Bowser Junior nutt

My Idea: I think that all of the main characters (Littlefoot, Cera, Ducky, Petrie, Spike, and now Chomper and Ruby) should have individual pages. To heightenize them a little more, we should merge in the sections in List of The Land Before Time family members discussing members of their family if they only include one or two lines on that or those family members. I've already merged Petrie's mom and siblings into his article per an agreement, and also left a link there. If a family member has enough information to fill a sizable paragraph (five - ten lines) or more, then a link to their part of the family article should be provided, and a brief passing of a description. Also, info on the main characters should be sparse, or all over the article. It should be more organized, and split into chapters and subchapters in their articles if possible. This has all been done as far as currently possible for Petrie, now I think I'll get working on Chomper next. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC) End of Comment

Places???

This article is about characters from The Land Before Time, why are places being put here? Kochdude388 21:21 16, November 2006 (UTC)

Hydrotherosaurus

It is a Sharptooth and it should be on this page.

Merge 2

I think the TV info on certain characters should be put in. --Coallen 13:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

AfD and Merge Discussion 3

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Littlefoot. « ₣ullMetal ₣alcon » 18:17, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Oppose. We've had this same discussion not one month ago, and it was decided then that the main character pages were not to be merged. The pages were thought to be important enough to be individual pages, and therefore not be shortened or merged. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.212.16 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 21 January 2008

Also Oppose. As I said earlier, I agree that the main characters are notable enough to be included. The Land Before Time franchise is a long-running thing, and is quite noticeably popular amongst children. There is also (admittedly limited) media surrounding some of these characters. The last two sections in Ducky's article, for instance, before the References and External Links sections, are pure real-world information. The second of these is about controversy regarding the character, and provides references to such sites as the online version of the book The Animated Films of Don Bluth, and a review from The Washington Post. I am also not done with the article, and am working hard on finding as much more real-world information on Ducky as I can.

If the consensus ultimately decides that the articles are to be merged, however, might I suggest that they are not merged into this article. Instead, I suggest that they make another list article called "List of main characters in The Land Before Time", or something to that extreme. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 03:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

They should be merged here. There is no reason to make another article, nor should minor characters be covered at all, only the major ones, so no need for the major qualifier which would only violate the film MOS and have one of the articles sent to AfD as a duplicate. AnmaFinotera (talk) 05:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Support. The AfD made it pretty clear, these needs to be done. No one has established the necessary notability in any of the character articles to satisfy WP:FICT after three months (which requires significant coverage in third-party reliable sources). Adding in more fan rumors and plot does not satisfy this requirement. Continuing to dig in the heels will only result in the articles being sent to the Fiction Noticeboard or back to AfD. AnmaFinotera (talk) 05:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Establishing notablity is exactly what I am trying to do. And nobody has added in any more fan rumours, and I am trying to make sure that the plot devices used are limited. At least in Ducky's article. Anyway, like I said, The Land Before Time is popular, so it's difficult to define what makes a non-notable minor or not. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 06:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Popularity does not determine notability, nor does how many films the series has. I personally think the best option would be to have each film article deal with its unique major characters in the plot and reduce this list to the major characters that actual appear in multiple films. That would be a start to reducing it. AnmaFinotera (talk) 06:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Or, we could just forget about the whole thing. It's only a few out of millions of articles, after all. The world of information is supposed to be neutral and mutual; Wikipedia does not have to be top-quality on everything. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 06:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but that isn't an option. The goal of any good Wikipedia editor should always be in making good quality articles, not turning a blind eye to bad articles.AnmaFinotera (talk) 07:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah well, while in Wikipedia I try to be as good as possible, my personality is highly flawed in life. Mental state somewhat as well. Better be careful with me; I often get the wrong idea from what others say, and vice versa. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe the five orignal characters are notable enough to merit their own articles, and possibly Chomper and Ruby, but Mr. Thicknose is not. His article should definitely be merged. --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 03:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Picture Caption

I think the caption should read like "from foreground to background" rather than "from left right", as the characters are standing in a near straight line. Thoughts please.Clawandfang (talk) 15:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm all up for it. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 21:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality in Hyp, Mutt and Nod's section.

This section does not seem to be very neutral; at least not in the part which discusses Nod. It seems whoever wrote that information has something against the character, as what they have written is very, well, unflattering, let's just say. I'm not sure how to rewrite it so it sounds more neutral, but I have placed a beacon in the section so it may be noticed by someone who can rewrite it. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 01:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

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Putting images on Wikipedia is fair use. 24.65.118.20 (talk) 01:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Rinkus and Sierra

Rinkus and Sierra were on here before! Who removed them and why? Can someone please put them back up? They're those two flyers from the Land Before Time VII: The Stone of Cold Fire. And they definitely fit under the Villains category. If Rooter, Ichy, and Dill have a spot here, Rinkus and Sierra definitely do. I'd do it myself but I'm not good at editing, every time I do they consider it either describing a view of something that happened or else original research, and undo it. 24.65.118.20 (talk) 01:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Good, it's back on. And I should point out that User 122.53.6.158 is the culprit. He deleted Rinkus and Sierra, Tria, and the References. And those were the only things he ever did. I know because of the page history. VANDALISM! 24.65.118.20 (talk) 21:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Removal of fair use images

An editor removed all the valid fair use images in this article. If possible I'd like to see some sort of justification as why this should happen and why all of them should be removed as opposed to a limited number of them. The pictures are not of living people so they should be allowed to be used on articles like this as far as I am aware. I don't dabble much in the living people/bio categories in wikipedia so I could very well be wrong. I've reverted the edit until

a)Someone makes a valid argument for them being removed

b)I find a policy stating such. I'll read up on the policy's over the next wee while but I've got shed loads of exams starting soon so will probably not have the time for a few weeks.

Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} 00:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

• Also, this page is far beyond the page length limit at 65k so should be considered being split into separate articles --Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} 00:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

The relevant portion of policy is here. Specifically, images that are used only to visually identify elements in the article should be used as sparingly as possible is the key consideration here. A group image involving several of the characters would be okay; several individual images for several characters is usually construed as violating WP:NFCC #3a, that non-free content usage must be minimal across Wikipedia. (ESkog)^(Talk) 01:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

So the image that shows Sharptooth & Littlefoots mother is ok since it contains multiple characters? In that case, should the rest of the images be removed with that one remaining and a request posted on the talk page for a group image? Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} 03:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

It would be better if you could find one or two images which contain the most important characters - I don't think those two characters are really the most important in the series, but I admit that my familiarity with this subject matter is pretty limited. (ESkog)^(Talk) 03:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

If you would like my opinion, find an image which has Littlefoot, Cera, Ducky, Petrie, Spike, Chomper and Ruby altogether in it; if there are any other characters in that same image, they can be a bonus. But the main characters of both the film and the television series are all notable enough for illustration. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 03:29, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

February 2009.

I added a second rationale to the screenshot of the gang looking out at the Great Valley, used in Sullivan Bluth Studios, so it could be used in this article again. This still only covers five of the characters, but it greatly reduces the amount of fair use image usage on this page. I also chucked away the Mo image, as Mo is a minor character. With only two screenshots left on this page, each of reasonable worth, I think it's safe now to remove the image tag at the top of the page. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 03:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Correction, there are three. I am stumped as to whether or not the fight scene between Mama Longneck and the Sharptooth is worthwhile having here or not. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 03:43, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup in "Main Protagonists".

I have cleaned the section talking about the main characters, by removing excessive trivia and cutting down on the references to instances in particular films and episodes. Anyone interested in expanding that part of the page in a less fansite-ish and more encyclopedic way is welcome to do so, as far as I'm concerned. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 22:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I have now helped the article to lose even more pounds of body fat. The way things seem to be going, the article will be considerably lighter and smaller when I am finished, but it will also be cleaner, and ready for some muscle-building. It's a shame that there are even more overweight Wikipedia articles than there are people, but this will soon be one less. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 03:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Eusthenopteron

Eusthenopteron was from The Land Before Time VIII: The Big Freeze when the Camptosaurus was swimming. User:98.177.220.111 (Just called me Burgess Shale Lover) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.177.220.111 (talk) 04:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Missing taxons

Has anyone else but me noticed that there aren't any Megalosaurs, Ceratosaurs, Abelisaurs or Alvarezsaurs? I'm kind of disappointed but hopeful that at least one genus of one of the taxons will appear in the upcoming movie or so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.186.22.193 (talk) 17:26, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Has anyone else but me noticed that the dinosaurs in this film talk?

It's a cartoon. If you are expecting a representative sampling of various taxons from a particular era, you are watching the wrong film. - SummerPhD^v2.0 13:21, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

There are people who like this franchise for the diversity of fauna, actually. Hypnobrai (talk) 16:36, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

If reliable sources discuss the various living things in the film, this article should cover the same material. This talk page, however, is for discussing improvements to the article, not for discussing what dinosaurs will talk in the next cartoon. - SummerPhD^v2.0 20:19, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Adding Etta

She needs to be added to the list. And add Reba McEntire as her voice actress and singer of the song Look for the light. Mr.Moore362 (talk) 14:24, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Adding Wild Arms

While asking for Etta to be added to the list, I also want to add Wild Arms to the list as well. Mr.Moore362 (talk) 14:30, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

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Apatosaurus vs. Brontosaurus

One of our obsessive frequent-flyers is back. See Talk:The_Land_Before_Time#Apatosaurus_vs._Brontosaurus and discuss the issue there. - SummerPhD^v2.0 13:22, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

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Unsourced taxons

This article is currently packed full of original research.

For some reason, cartoons, films and TV shows featuring dinosaurs attract editors who want to identify each and every animal, based on their personal knowledge. One block-evading banned editor is obsessed with "updating" various characters with the resurrected "Brontosaurus" label over "Apatosaurus". Reliable sources say "Apatosaurus", but they are certain that we must "fix" this.

No. If it looks like a brontosaurus to you (and speaks English with a brontosaurian accent...) but reliable sources say it is rose bush, Wikipedia should say it is a rose bush.

Most of the taxon listed here are unsourced. I don't personally care how certain you are, original research does not belong here. Feel free to discuss it in detail on your blog, Facebook or whatever, but it is not verifiable and does not belong on Wikipedia.

If I remove one that you find a reliable source for, feel free to discuss it here or restore it with a citation. - SummerPhD^v2.0 19:48, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, the problem here, is that most of the species on this page aren't even officially identified by any creators of the film (presumably because they didn't care about identifying any taxons). The only sharptooth species that were ever identified in the credits were the Velociraptor pack from the third movie, and the Allosaurus from the sixth movie. The issue with Universal not identifying some of the sharptooth means that the Spinosaurus and Carnotaurus that appear in the twelfth and fourteenth films respectively, look like obvious representations of the genus, but are not given an official identification. What do we do if they aren't identified as anything but are obviously meant to be a specific dinosaur? Especially for the Carnotaurus' sake, there's no way it could be any other abelisaur.

Also, about that Tyrannosaurus and Albertosaurus/Daspletosauurus thing, I changed the latter two identifications because there's nothing that points them to being anything else other than T. rex. Sure, they're colored differently than, say, the original sharptooth (who is a T. rex) but color shouldn't make us identify them as different dinosaur genera. The models are exactly the same. Hypnobrai (talk) 01:55, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, there are likely numerous cases where reliable sources simply do not identify the type of dinosaur. In those cases -- no matter how obvious they may appear to you -- we simply should not specify. They might, in your opinion, be "obviously meant to be" something, but that is your opinion. These are entirely fictional characters. While many or even all of them might have been based on known species, they are fictionalized in numerous ways. Some of those ways are obvious: no dinosaurs spoke English. Others are more subtle: the colors are essentially guesses. Others are not known to us at all: some may blend characteristics from known species and/or be completely imaginary. - SummerPhD^v2.0 03:44, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

I've made several corrections here. See the individual edits underlying that for edit summaries explaining. - SummerPhD^v2.0 03:44, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm now through the secondary characters.[1] - SummerPhD^v2.0 13:50, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

I am now through Allies.[2] In addition to the removal of unsourced species, I am cleaning up a ew additional items.

Overlinking. Yes, Wikipedia has millions of articles. We should not link to all of them. {{WP:OVERLINKING]] suggests not linking to everyday words (this would include colors) and terms understood by most English speakers.

Word order. A character who "only appears in ___" is one who did nothing but appear. One who "appears only in _____" is one that does not appear elsewhere.

Plot. This article should list and briefly describe characters. What the characters do in various films and episodes and what happens to them are plot elements, not descriptions of the characters.

Tense in fiction. Wikipedia's style is to generally describe fiction in present tense: "Peter Rabbit steals vegetables." not "Peter Rabbet stole vegetables.

Capitalization. Proper nouns (Margaret, Dad, Billy, etc.) are capitalized. The word "I" is capitalized. The first word in a sentence is capitalized. The first word in a section heading is capitalized. Move and TV episode titles us title case. That's pretty much it. So: "Tommy's mother", the "big cliff" and "sentences full of lots of important words". - SummerPhD^v2.0 15:51, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

I've finished a first pass, with all of the corrections outlined above.[3] Given the large number of amateur paleontologists conducting original research on articles of this type, I rather expect the unsourced changes will continue sporadically and need to be reverted. - SummerPhD^v2.0 20:50, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Reverted unsourced additions by 112.202.161.182. - SummerPhD^v2.0 19:50, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Hydrotherosaurus Sharptooth

According to The Land Before Time Wiki, the Hydrotherosaurus is a Sharptooth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.86.71.225 (talk) 18:38, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikis are not reliable sources and cannot be used as sources for our articles. Please see Talk:List_of_The_Land_Before_Time_characters#Unsourced_taxons. - SummerPhD^v2.0 01:34, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

characters Important

how are the characters Important decide clearly the main are Littlefoot, Cera, Ducky, Petrie and Spike but some of the others are qustionable i wolud not put Guido or Mo in secondry (i would put in support) also i would not put Grandpa and Grandma Longneck in Supporting (I would put in Secondary) and the servael more times this happen Fanoflionking 22:45, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

IMO the listings are as follows:

• Main character: Member of the Gang of Seven
• Secondary character: Appears in three movies or more (mostly just family members/Great Valley members due to the focus of the show)
• Recurring character: Characters who appear two movies (or one movie and one TV episode) that don't already qualify for the other two lists. I'd still list Mo here since his third appearance is a one-second cameo in XII where he isn't named.
• Yeah, these later levels even I'm a bit confused how characters are qualifying for each branch. Seems to mostly be guest stars and minor background characters at this point. --Aabicus (talk) 21:37, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Ducky's species

I have simplified this considerably. While there are a few editors on Wikipedia focused on such things, this is in no way an issue in reliable sources.

The official site listed Ducky as Parasaurolophus. A few outside sources made their own guesses and came up with Anatosaurus. That's all there is to say about it.

(At the end of the day, Ducky is neither one. Ducky is a cartoon character who speaks English. As a result, Ducky is not a dinosaur at all.) - SummerPhD^v2.0 19:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Guido is not a main character

Anonymous user 68.38.1.141 reverted my edit that moved Guido from "Main characters" to "Recurring characters." I cannot think of any definition that would make a character who appeared in only one movie and one TV show a main character, I think he's clearly recurring, just like many other one-off guest stars they brought back for an episode. But, to avoid an edit war, I'm asking the talk page to see if I'm in the minority here. If I don't hear any dissension within a week, I'll be dropping him back down to Recurring. --Aabicus (talk) 00:16, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

As promised, Guido has been moved. The above user also blanked their talk page, so I know they've been informed. If anyone wants to argue a case for Guido being a main character, feel free to do so here on the talk page.--Aabicus (talk) 06:25, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Edit war due to Ducky's species

It's almost christmas and I'm not in the mood to get into an edit war with nobody here. To quote the official Land Before Time site which is also sourced in the article : https://web.archive.org/web/20060405114113/http://www.landbeforetime.com/dino_friends_ducky.html

″DUCKY may look like a duck with his long bill and webbed feet and hands, but he is no duck - he is a Cretaceous Period living PARASAUROLOPHUS ″.

So I hope the person who's editing the article (contradicting the source referenced in the article itself) stops this and doesn't label my edit as vandalism. Thanks. Merry Christmas & Yep Yep Yep! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.79.235.238 (talk) 19:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)