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List of music considered the worst[edit]

I expanded the "songs" page to include albums, classical and film music. The lack of unbiased references makes it hard to add entries that aren't frivolous. (There were four song entries from 2010-11, and only ten from before that.) If a song or album has been included on two notable "worst music of all time" lists, then it can go in this article - others can be discussed below.
- Responsible? (talk) 07:23, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Womanizer[edit]

Is there any reason why 'Womanizer' is here with 17 LINKS! People have tried to delete it twice (I did once) but these have been undone. Could whoever keeps doing this please cut the links given and cite professional publications rather than forums and blogs and write down some information in the article itself like every other song in the article, or delete 'Womanizer' from the list. I think it's a terrible song too, but it has to have been declared as one of the worst songs ever by a major source. I normally don't write here, but this was so horrifically bad that I needed to. I don't want to start an edit war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.153.239 (talk) 07:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Why wouldn't it be here? This list is crap anyway otherwise Friday would be here as more than a dishonorable mention. And Born This Way and pretty much everything by Katy Perry.

Really the worst songs of all time are the ones that don't even get air time. This list is just silly child's play. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.68.156 (talk) 07:20, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Really crappy title[edit]

Needs a better title. "List of music consider the worst" sounds like a 10 year old wrote it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.68.156 (talk) 06:28, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Too Subjective[edit]

Delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.68.156 (talk) 07:15, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Seriously, I read the last "discussion" on deletion and it seemed to lean towards delete. And none of the reasons for keeping were particularly rational. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.68.156 (talk) 07:17, 25 August 2012 (UTC) Just want to point out the Blender and Rolling Stone entries are probably jokes. They are not bad songs they are just overblown. I've heard bad things about Coldplay too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.172.44 (talk) 21:16, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

"Scream", Chris Cornell (2009)[edit]

It's been known that this got album got slammed by critics and Rock fans for Chris doing an R&B album despite the fact of the big promotion behind it. It wouldn't be a suprise if it was on the worst albums list, despite the fact I like the title track. Adam the silly (talk) 23:52, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Rebecca Black[edit]

I'm surprised her song Friday isn't on the list. On youtube it has more dislikes than likes...and those dislikes are in the millions! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.227.185.71 (talk) 21:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

One Direction[edit]

Can we not include songs like 'What Makes You Beautiful' and 'Baby' by One Direction and Bieber respectively on the list based on dislikes on youtube? It would seriously make my day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harry McThompson (talkcontribs) 20:54, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry I deleted that part is the "Songs" section. Tony 4-2-1-9-9-8 (talk) 00:17, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Velvet Underground's "Squeeze"[edit]

At first I wouldn't think that something from this band would be considered terrible at all, but then I saw Rolling Stone's score of only one star, Classic Rock magazine's naming it in their worst albums list, and as being an embarrassment to several of the band's core people. This could be a legitimate inclusion to the worst albums list. --Adam the silly (talk) 05:54, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Rewrite?[edit]

  • This article seriously needs a rewrite, not to mention more reliable sources. Most (if not all) of the examples listed are backed up by a one of two sources from offshoot polls; in addition, when looking at the examples' separate articles, most of them have no mention of anything even close to the effect of being the "worst". Erpert Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it? 04:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Hi, first time I've used this so apologies for any errors... I wholeheartedly agree with the previous poster, and have a suggestion or two for a new title, as the current one just doesn't scan right - how about Worst Music in Western Media or something similar (to take on the bias flag as well), maybe [Most] Poorly Rated Western Music to remind users that they need proper coatings from decent sources, or Poorly Rated Western Music? Also I don't understand why the majority of the article reads like it was cut and paste job off the How To instruction page on Wikipedia? There are three or four large paragraphs on how out why each song had been included, like the author is trying to justify their existence... Does that all need to be there? Finally, I'm not sure whether this article actually needs to exist, it's such a subjective and opinion-based field I don't see how this information would be if value to anyone (I am happy to be corrected on this, however) - having articles on this means there's an argument to (eventually) have to be articles on every item or thing that can be disliked, ever! 82.31.137.213 (talk) 05:24, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in List of music considered the worst[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of music considered the worst's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "allmusic":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 10:59, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Burial[edit]

OK, some angry Burial fans think they're funny. Pitchfork actually gave it a 9... http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/18820-burial-rival-dealer-ep/ Laerm (talk) 05:14, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Maybe so, but that does not necessarily mean it is not considered a very bad release - Pitchfork is only the barometer of the thoughts of a very narrow section of white, middle class, twenty-something American critics that does not reflect broader tendencies in media or in general critical responses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.84.119 (talk) 13:37, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Right, well, my point was more that the quoted text isn't what Pitchfork said; they actually had a rather opposite opinion.
Laerm (talk) 17:54, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

"Systemic bias", so called[edit]

That is clearly a silly accusation.
The article is about music in English and it should just say that explicitly.
99.247.1.157 (talk) 00:32, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

This Article is on the "English" Wikipedia[edit]

Since English is a western language, and most people searching for a page in English would be interested in English Language Music. If someone were to search for the same topic on Spanish Language Wikipedia, they would expect to find Spanish Language music listed, same with Japanese Wikipedia, Russian Wikipedia, and so on. There is no unreasonable bias for western music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexanderMackle (talkcontribs) 18:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Revolution 9 by The Beatles, Blood on the Dance Floor, Brokencyde, Insane Clown Posse[edit]

Why are none of these bands on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.112.40.139 (talk) 23:37, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Two Beatles recordings are listed: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da". If you feel that other releases should be included, please find cites. A piece of music should have been named by reliable sources as one of the three worst of all time. Goblinostic (talk) 17:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band?[edit]

I'm talking about the original version of course, the other one can stay right where it is, but why is this album included? Yes, some people really disliked this album. But besides those few, the album is universally praised, it's article even points that out. I say if One Direction and Justin Bieber were removed, so should this one. Because unlike those songs, which are panned by critics, many people have and continue to praise this album as a milestone in music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobmcfarkuson (talkcontribs) 23:03, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

If two or more reputable sources name a piece of music among the three worst ever, then users are entitled to add it here. That's why it's included. You're not the first to simply remove the album without gaining consensus and you probably won't be the last, but it'll be re-added every time until a proper discussion is initiated and concluded, with consensus leaning toward its removal (which I'm confident will never happen, given that criteria is fully met). Multiple prominent users have been quick to return the record to this article on the grounds that it is well-cited and meets the criteria for inclusion. You, me and countless others might enjoy Sgt. Pepper, but that really has no relevance here. Goblinostic (talk) 21:07, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
But isn't that tantamount to admitting that the inclusion criteria makes it impossible to write this article in accordance to WP:NPOV? If the majority of reliable sources receive a piece of work positively, but an insignificant minority (2 sources in this particular case) can override the majority, then this article is giving undue weight to a fringe viewpoint. Thanks to @Bobmcfarkuson: for bringing this problem to attention. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:15, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
It's a tricky one. It's not like we have an undue section of negative reviews within an article about a widely acclaimed album. This page is about music named among the worst by two or more sources, and I'm not convinced that positive critical responses need be represented since they're not the focus of the article. It's briefly mentioned in the paragraph about Sgt. Pepper that it's often ranked as one of the great records, which I feel is enough. Goblinostic (talk) 04:55, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Dubious[edit]

A piece of music is to be placed here only "if two critics or polls name it in the top 3 worst of all time". Not the 1,493rd worst of all time, not the 589th worst of all time, not even the 28th worst of all time but one of the top three worst of all time. How about actually sticking to what the article's about? If we're now adding any piece of music mentioned in proximity to the word "worst", then this article simply cannot be written and I fully support its deletion. Goblinostic (talk) 19:47, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

What I'm trying to say is that it's odd why you won't allow albums that are universally maligned like Squeeze because it only got placed in the 20s on a worst of list, yet you allow albums that are universally praised like Sgt. Pepper's just because only a few people think it's the worst.Adam the silly (talk) 20:30, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm not allowing/disallowing anything. I'm adhering to what the article says should be included. Goblinostic (talk) 20:38, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Embedded article notes aren't policy. -- WV 21:12, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Nope, they've been the sole indication of what to go by here for three years and the lack of objection implies a silent consensus. So what's the criterion? Add whatever you feel like adding? Goblinostic (talk) 21:25, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
There's not been a lack of objection. There's been plenty of objection. What I've seen from you over the last several months is you shutting down anyone who objects. -- WV 01:16, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
No, you've seen me trying to improve the article. I do have a problem with people adding records just because they've been called "really bad!" or ranked the 28th worst by one critic. Two sources naming a piece as one of the three worst ever seems reasonable, but whatever. You guys "win", but Wikipedia loses. Goblinostic (talk) 02:02, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I haven't touched the Velvet Underground's Squeeze but I have removed Bob Dylan's "Wiggle Wiggle" since its inclusion is just too damaging to the article's credibility. The two sources draw from heavily restricted sections of popular music; the first is only from bad Dylan songs (one man's catalogue is but a tiny wave in the ocean of recorded music), and the second – which is uncited – is only from weak offerings by artists whom Q magazine staff deem to be "great". These would certainly bolster a source wherein the track was voted/named the nth worst record ever made by anyone, but I've searched Google and just cannot find anything of the sort. The VU album at least has a source that considers all of music. Goblinostic (talk) 08:30, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Reverted and put it back in. I find your reasons for removal too stringent. -- WV 08:51, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Care to elaborate? Sure, you said "stringent" and pointed to an essay, but do you have a reason for reverting? Goblinostic (talk) 09:08, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Clearly not. WP:JDL won't do. Goblinostic (talk) 20:48, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not compulsory nor is there any deadline here. I disagree that there is not sufficient evidence from sources online to consider the album/music one of the worst. I would further like to state that the "guidelines" and alleged rule of thumb for inclusion in this article is not policy and needs to be revisited in discussion here. One person making numerous edits (you) doesn't set the rules or tone for this article. It should be a community effort. -- WV 21:14, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Forget all about the embedded note. This article is titled "List of music considered the worst"; per lede, it provides music that "has achieved a negative reputation and been called the worst music ever made". Not "the worst in Bob Dylan's catalogue", or "the worst by artists deemed 'great' by Q magazine staff", but simply the worst music ever made. Selecting tracks from narrow facets of popular music is not what the page is predicated on. Care to address this one? Goblinostic (talk) 21:41, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
No reason has yet been given for keeping this song, so I removed it once again. WP:BRD states that the reverter will provide a justification for his/her edit, but that absolutely hasn't happened; all I've received are WP:JDL statements in the form of "too stringent" and "I disagree". Again, this article (previously "List of songs in English labeled the worst ever") has never been predicated on the worst songs in individual catalogues. Goblinostic (talk) 08:35, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Impatient much? -- WV 10:32, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Kinda, because this isn't a discussion. I'm still waiting for a reason as to why this song should be included in the article. Listing the worst song from one back catalogue is basically the same as listing a hill in some English town in List of highest mountains. I readily welcome your argument, once you find it. Goblinostic (talk) 15:14, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Now that I have some time to contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way, I will say this: It could be argued that since Dylan is considered one of the best and most prolific songwriters ever, "Wiggle Wiggle" could be considered one of the worst songs ever. That said, I do agree on further examination and searching for something that would support inclusion of the song in this article that the song doesn't truly fit the parameters agreed upon for inclusion in this article - even without the non-policy threshold for inclusion in the embedded note. But, truth be told, it would have been best for you to wait for another experienced editor (myself) to look into this and not chose to edit war/revert war. Every time you did so, you were acting in bad faith and not adhering to what is policy re: talk page discussion in light of BRD. Time is not your enemy and WP:DEADLINE is a good thing to remember. Reverting to get your way only further gives credence to what I believe is your tendency toward WP:OWN in this article and the appearance of bullying/IDHT. It's disrespectful, it's disruptive, and it's just bad form in a venue that's supposed to be community driven.
On that note, I believe it's important with this article going forth that one editor should not and does not edit in such a manner that there is the appearance of article ownership - and I think it's fair to say that you have effectively been behaving in such a manner. Your impatience in this discussion (resulting in edit-warring and disruptive behavior as a result) is but one example. Your insistence on a non-policy guideline is another. What I believe is a bullying manner in chasing away editors who try to edit the article as well as add-to and take-way is one more. I propose we try to work together on this and welcome anyone else who wants to do the same. New/established editors who stray into this article should be respected and welcomed - the article and Wikipedia will be the better for it. My feeling is this article needs to see a new day, a new "way", a new attitude. What say you? -- WV 21:15, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Confused[edit]

I saw the big overhaul edit last Thursday, removing just about most of everything on here.

In the albums, Squeeze, Chinese Democracy and Scream all got cut, while Elvis' Greatest S--- was added.

In the singles, "The Birdie Song", "Sussudio", "Ice Ice Baby", Take That's "Could it Be Magic", "Mr. Blobby", "My Humps", "You're Beautiful" and "Blurred Lines" (alongside possible others I may have forgotten about) all got KO'd, with "Dance With Me" being the spared deletion.

Wondering what's up with that overhaul?

And given that the band itself called it their worst record, any chance someday we could see Styx's 1973 album The Serpent Is Rising on here?

UPDATE: Just remembered "Baby".

98.195.99.11 (talk) 18:02, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Can't imagine why you're "confused". The edit summary said it all. -- WV 21:25, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria[edit]

So, I've been working on cleaning up the equivalent article on video games, and I've been looking through similar articles like this one to see how they're handled. Which leads me to my question of:

  1. What exactly are the inclusion criteria?
  2. Is there anything in there keeping off fringe theory-type stuff? For example, to include something like Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club on this list seems rather inconsistent with its general reception, like what's shown in in the articles reception section, which was rather positive overall. There really should be something to counter entries that are really more based on a few outlier journalists over the course of the last few decades like this. I feel entries like this create an undue weight issue. Sergecross73 msg me 20:49, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't think it's a weight issue, because the point of this article is not to identify what actually is the worst music, but rather to report on notable opinions about worst music. This article in no way asserts that Sgt. Pepper is objectively a bad record, and it already notes its wide acclaim; the relevant (and interesting) fact here is that there have been significant and notable dissenters. --Arxiloxos (talk) 21:33, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
That's not my concern though. In fact, it's really the opposite - I'm proposing that 2-3 critics not liking an album that is general well-received otherwise, is not being notable for being considered the worst. Albums that are notable for "being the worst" are ones more like Heavy Metal Music or the the Kevin Federline album, where they're received largely unfavorable views from a vast majority of RS critics. Sergecross73 msg me 01:48, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I also see my concern was brought up pretty recently by two other editors, just above. And the only objection was from a blocked sockpuppet. I'll probably remove it shortly unless someone can reconcile its inclusion with WP:NPOV and WP:FRINGE for me... Sergecross73 msg me 16:51, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Kitty?[edit]

What about Avril Lavigne's "Hello Kitty"? It has been considered worst and described "laughably bad" and "weird" if you see it in the article. DEW. Adrenaline (Nahnah4) 04:34, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

It seems like historically, the way to get on the list is to have a source or two literally call it the worst ever. Do you have any reliable sources that say that? Sergecross73 msg me 20:10, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Inclusion of this article in Wikipedia[edit]

In my view, why is this article even here? There are, surely, many many polls about the "worst" music that have been conducted over the years - and many suppositions as to what might be generally considered to be the "worst" - this article cannot hope to include them all and any selection it uses is therefore inevitably biased. It's also wholly subjective. What use or worth does having this article contribute to an encyclopedia? It should be considered to be a candidate for deletion in my view. It seems to me to be a case more of ephemera and trivia and does not substantially add to, or convey, any body of real knowledge. Some songs that have been considered, at various times, to be the "worst" are omitted whilst others are included. Why is Mr Blobby included but not St Winifred's School Choir or Tweets' Birdie Song? Indeed, what is a "song"? Does it have to include lyrics, as the Birdie "Song" does not. Anyone could make a case to include additional songs, as some people have, indeed, done in this talk section. What is the inclusion criteria and how many people have to agree before a song is included as being, allegedly, the "worst"? And why should the opinions of music critics, broadcasters or others be allowed to influence my own tastes? Or to determine what I consider to be "best" or "worst", which, indeed, they do not. User: aspaa 23:33, 16 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aspaa (talkcontribs)

  1. You're free to nominate it for deletion yourself if you're unhappy with it, but, if you look at the top of this talk page, you'll see that the article has survived 5 prior deletion discussions (that's a lot), so I doubt it would be deleted.
  2. The content that is present is there because those are the ones that people have bothered to add that are supported by reliable sources. If you feel there are notable omissions, you're free to add some of your own if you've got the sources to back it up.
  3. There is no requirement to have lyrics, I'm not sure why you'd think there would be.
  4. The article's purpose is not to influence your own tastes, so that point is irrelevant. No one's forcing you to agree with it, or adapt its views into your own. Wikipedia is written according to what can be verified by reliable sources, so, if these critics or broadcasters are deemed as such, then the article is being written the ways all Wikipedia articles are supposed to be written - according to sources. Sergecross73 msg me 13:19, 17 August 2015 (UTC)