Talk:List of wealthiest families

Why so many information holes?

This would seem to be a relatively static list once it's complete.Timtempleton (talk)

Why would it be static? The datasets I've seen seem to indicate quite a bit of movement over 20 to 40 year time frames. (at least in US wealth; I think some data show it is more static in other nation states and political systems). N2e (talk) 19:46, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Changed figures

Ping Timtempleton. This series of edits changed some wealth numbers but didn't change the sort key also. I'm wondering about the source that shows the change. Also, the sort key should be updated to match. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:46, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Ping Anna Frodesiak I added some sources to the numbers that I changed. This is going to be a tricky list to fix. There are so many heirs and families that have the same last name, but are in different businesses. I also noticed that S.C. Johnson sorts as S, when it should be J. Bloomberg and Forbes have good lists. I'll nick away at this as I have time. What do you think the cutoff for membership on this list of families should be? >$1B cumulative from all family members, or should it only be families with at least one individual who has >$1B net worth? According to Forbes, there are about 200 families with over $1B in wealth, but I also read there are 1,645 Billionaires.Timtempleton (talk) 19:35, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Timtempleton. Thank you so much for working on it. If you click sort on the Wealth in billions (estimated USD) colum, you can see which are in need of a sortkey update. As for cut off, hmmmmm, what would you suggest? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:28, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Since there are just under 100 families, perhaps we say this is the top 100. I suspect that if we started using daughters' married names and counting different families with the same last name separately, we'd go over that number with just the names already here.Timtempleton (talk) 15:00, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

That sounds good. And I cannot view www.bloomberg.com because it is blocked here in China. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:28, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

I normally don't post copyrighted info, and this may be deleted, but due to the censorship facing Bloomberg in China, and just for a point of record, I pulled the top 30 names off the Bloomberg list and posted here. This is the snapshot list as of May 25, 2016. Focusing on just getting these names right is probably going to take me a few weeks.

Rank Name US$ B Daily$Chg Daily%Chg YtD$Chg PrevRank
Top 400 Total $3,896 14.3B 0.4% -23.6B n/a
1 William Henry Gates III "Bill" $83.3 80.3M 0.1% -470.1M 1
2 Amancio Ortega Gaona $71.1 284.3M 0.4% -1.7B 2
3 Warren E Buffett $65.9 -219.1M -0.3% 3.6B 3
4 Carlos Slim Helu $55.2 -653.7M -1.2% 2.9B 4
5 Charles De Ganahl Koch $51.4 -48.0M -0.1% 3.2B 5
6 David Hamilton Koch $51.4 -48.0M -0.1% 3.2B 5
7 Jeffrey P Bezos "Jeff" $51.1 383.9M 0.8% -8.6B 7
8 Mark Elliot Zuckerberg $47.6 262.2M 0.6% 1.8B 8
9 Ingvar Kamprad $41.9 80.5M 0.2% 2.0B 9
10 Lawrence Joseph Ellison "Larry" $41.0 -174.5M -0.4% 1.3B 10
11 Lawrence E Page "Larry" $38.8 339.4M 0.9% -1.1B 11
12 Sergey Brin $38.0 217.7M 0.6% -1.2B 12
13 Bernard Arnault $34.8 221.7M 0.6% 2.9B 13
14 Liliane Bettencourt $34.4 189.2M 0.6% 1.3B 14
15 Jim C Walton $33.0 250.2M 0.8% 2.5B 15
16 Samuel Robson Walton $32.7 251.3M 0.8% 2.7B 16
17 Alice Louise Walton $32.2 250.4M 0.8% 2.7B 17
18 Jacqueline Badger Mars $31.4 123.2M 0.4% -913.7M 18
19 John Franklyn Mars $31.4 123.2M 0.4% -913.7M 18
20 Forrest Edward Mars Jr $31.4 123.2M 0.4% -913.7M 18
21 Wang Jianlin $29.5 624.1M 2.2% -7.0B 21
22 Li Ka-Shing $29.1 319.6M 1.1% -870.6M 22
23 Jack Yun Ma $27.9 -19.7M -0.1% -1.8B 23
24 Jorge Paulo Lemann $27.1 31.3M 0.1% -564.7M 24
25 Sheldon Gary Adelson $26.7 380.0M 1.4% 3.7B 25
26 Stefan Persson $25.8 270.4M 1.1% -397.6M 27
27 Philip H Knight "Phil" $25.7 251.3M 1.0% 380.9M 26
28 George Soros $24.4 n/a n/a n/a 28
29 Steve Ballmer $23.1 178.2M 0.8% -803.5M 29
30 Giovanni Ferrero $21.9 -21.4M -0.1% -489.0M 30
Timtempleton (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

You are permitted to post it here per WP:TOP100. Thank you for this. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:15, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

References

Sourced entires

I intend to add a source to the estimated wealth figure for each entry. I suggest entires without sources be removed and we only allow sourced entries from now on per Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:42, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Robertsons

A couple mischievous edits have removed the Robertsons of Duck Commander Inc from this list, despite the wholly true verified fact that they control at least $69.4 Billion in assets as of 12/31/2016 between Phil Robertson and his sons and brother. Ouachita Cheater (talk) 21:47, 19 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.230.225.96 (talk)

If you can prove it is wholly true and verify it then you can add it. Timtempleton (talk) 23:40, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Trump?

Can anyone definitively prove his wealth is at least a billion?Timtempleton (talk) 20:01, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Families versus individuals

It's been a while since I edited this article, and now am realizing we need some methodology to decide which families to include. That could result in significant edits to this list. What are we trying to record here? First, we need to distinguish this from the list of richest individuals. Forbes tries to do this on their list[[1]]. They exclude self made entrepreneurs (I'd arguable include Donald Trump here), and they also exclude married couples like Forever 21 founders Jin Sook and Do Won Chang.

Forbes establishes a minimum of USD$1.2 billion for inclusion, but supposing that one member is vastly wealthier than the others, how much wealth do any other have to qualify the family as a member of this list? I think $USD1 billion per member might be too high a bar, but it depends on how many families that leaves us with. There are 92 families listed now, so if we say we limit this to 100 that seems reasonable. And naturally the wealth has to be verifiable for inclusion - easier said than done.

Once a multibillionaire patriarch dies, and the family splits the wealth, then the family would make the list. Think Sam Walton and the Walmart family, or the Du Pont family. Amancio Ortega Gaona of Zara fame is the #2 wealthiest person on the list I posted, but unless a family member is also independently wealthy enough, the Ortegas wouldn't make the list yet.

Then, the trick is hunting down the info. An easy way to start would be to use the wealthiest family list from Forbes, and then use the wealthiest individual list, and see if there are families with multiple members on the latter list.

Thoughts?Timtempleton (talk) 23:37, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I just found this list on Forbes of the 25 richest American families. They are all on the list already. The info is from June 29th 2016, so it can be used to source recent net worth.[[2]]:

Rank Name Net Worth Origin of Wealth
1 Walton family $130 billion Wal-Mart
2 Koch family $82 billion diversified
3 Mars family $78 billion candy
4 Cargill-MacMillan family $49 billion Cargill Inc.
5 Cox family $41 billion media
6 S.C. Johnson family $30 billion cleaning products
7 Pritzker family $29 billion hotels, investments
8 (Edward) Johnson family $28.5 billion money management
9 Hearst family $28 billion Hearst Corp.
10 Duncan family $21.5 billion pipelines
11 Newhouse family $18.5 billion magazines, cable TV
12 Lauder family $17.9 billion Estee Lauder
13 Dorrance family $17.1 billion Campbell Soup Co.
14 Ziff family $14.4 billion publishing
15 Du Pont family $14.3 billion DuPont (chemicals)
16 Hunt family $13.7 billion oil
16 Goldman family $13.7 billion real estate
18 Busch family $13.4 billion Anheuser-Busch
19 Sackler family $13 billion pain medicines
20 Brown family $12.3 billion liquor
21 Marshall family $12 billion diversified
22 Mellon family $11.5 billion banking
23 Butt family $11 billion supermarkets
23 Rockefeller family $11 billion oil
25 Gallo family $10.7 billion wine, liquor
Timtempleton (talk) 21:48, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Who to include, changing columns

There are no set guidelines about who to include. Should we have any, to make this manageable? There are certainly many living and dead family members that are missing, such as with the Getty family. And maybe to distinguish between the originator of the wealth and the descendants, what do you think about adding a founder column, and having notable descendants in another column? If the list is too long, like Getty, perhaps we just link to that article. I would also vote to delete the number of family members column, as it is practically unsustainable. Timtempleton (talk) 18:47, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Rothschilds.

There's no citation for the vastly rich Rothschild's thing and the Forbes says they have 1.5 billion over 10 members. Though ad hoc the article insisted that the range was between $300 billion to $400 billion. I would assume citing conspiracy theories as the only citation was the same Forbes article that said they were worth 1.5 billion. Tat (talk) 20:34, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Possible edit war with IP editor

An IP editor is adding Duck Dynasty family Robertson and head Phil Robertson. The Duck Commander article says the company has $50 million annual revenue, and this source says the brand has earned $400M through Walmart [3], but it still doesn't suggest that they are ready to make this list, all of which is families with >$1B. I don't want to get into an edit war with an IP, who may not understand the high threshold, but will wait for them to add a source that substantiates that this family should be on this list. Timtempleton (talk) 22:22, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Timtempleton. I've posted at the IP's talk page inviting him here.

My opinions is that we need to see good refs stating their wealth, and that their wealth must be over 1b. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

The IP editor is adding the Duck Dynasty family again, and I'm about to revert them again. I see you warned them already. Here's a source showing that combined the entire family is not even $100 Million. [4] Timtempleton (talk) 05:41, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorting shows errors

I just sorted and see things out of whack. In edit mode, one can see why. The code doesn't match the displayed figures. I'd suggest removing the unsourced and checking forbes. I cannot do the latter because it is blocked here. Help? :) Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:23, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Can you clarify which figures you are referring to? On a related note, I'd like to remove the entire column of # of family members as being unsupportable. Birth announcements of non-notable new members are not going to be readily available. Interested readers can go to the family articles and get some info there instead. Timtempleton (talk) 18:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Timtempleton.

Sorting by "Wealth in billions..." shows a bunch of blank cells, then: 1.7, 1, 15....all seem okay until...Salsano 1.3...Jindal 5.1.....Ambani 39....and that's it. all the others seem in order.

As for the number of family members, yes, good plan. I can do it automatically if you like. Howabout you take care of the sort thing, and then I'll zap the family members col?

Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I removed two - but left Oppenheim, which is sourced. I'm not sure why the code isn't sorting right. Timtempleton (talk) 19:11, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Timtempleton. I fixed Oppenheim, Ambani, and Ng Teng. Could you please check the sources on those. I cannot access forbes. Many thanks. The sort order of all is good now, I think. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Great. I checked the numbers and updated the Ambani info. We're getting there! If you ever need to see Forbes info, message me and I can always cut and paste the article into your talk page. Timtempleton (talk) 21:34, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Tim. Indeed. Almost there. Cut and paste the article into my talk page? A copyvio to be sure. Maybe email would be the way to go. :) Best wishes, my friend, and many thanks for the good teamwork. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:47, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Ah yes - I was thinking if it wasn't in the article name space it wouldn't be a problem, but you're right. One to one is best. Timtempleton (talk) 21:53, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Byaruhanga Kimberly Junior

I removed Byaruhanga Kimberly Junior. This article is about families, not individuals. Also, the available info on him is light, and there's no Wikipedia article for him or his family - which should be at least a prerequisite for being on this list. There is deletion history for being promotional or copyvios. Timtempleton (talk) 23:54, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Good job. I just removed the entry at Black billionaires too. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:05, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Rothschilds

The Rothschilds need to be there, but not the hidden text. Timtempleton (talk) 02:19, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I restored info about the Rothschilds. The Snopes link [[5]] left by the deleting editor suggests that the family is still worth several USD$billion, just not trillions. Here's another source [[6]] TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:38, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Glaser-Kochavi

I saw that the Glaser-Kochavi family was added to the Max Factor entry.[[7]] There needs to be a source connecting the two. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:23, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Hosni Mubarak

Hosni Mubarak has 700 billion in this article yet his own article has 70. Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:22, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

From what I've seen, the $USD700B number is high. This article also questions it. [[8]]. I think the $USD70B is better. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:59, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

he should be removed bc the header of article says no dictators? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.19.86 (talk) 14:22, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Page issues, and a recommendation

Going through this article, I notice several things:

1. First off, I think the list should display the families in accordance with their wealth, rather than in an alphabetical order. This is how other World's Billionaires lists are typically complied.

2. Much of the information is outdated, or has no citation. Some is purely WP:OR because it shows rich individuals and not families. These names should be removed.

3. The lead section: It needs to be updated as well. The richest man on earth, as of February 2018, is Jeff Bezos, with a net worth of over $100 billion - so the 2015 sentence is no longer relevant. Other than that, I think it does a fine job summarizing the topic. It is important to note that there is no reputable authority that publishes a complete list of the world's richest families (quite understandably), so adding names may be a little tricky.

4. The list is incomplete. It is simply missing many families (again, not royal ones or individuals). Possible reliable sources for the world's richest families could be this or this one, as well as Forbes' The Arab World’s Richest Families 2017, Asia's Richest Families 2017 here and here, and lastly America's richest families. The Bloomgerg's billionaire index - despite the fact that it lists individuals rather than families - can be of additional help. I shall have a go at it at a later time. Regards, Shalom11111 (talk) 14:47, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

I sorted by wealth. Needs a few fixes, though. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:32, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Kudos to you if you did that manually... I will take care of citing new sources and removing non-families from the list. Shalom11111 (talk) 15:34, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I used a notepad macros. Happy to help. Thank you for your improvements. They are most welcome. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:40, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I see. By the way, you don't have copy text from here into the edit summary, in this case could simply write "a reply" instead. Thanks for the kind words, keep up the good work as well. I will apply the proposed changes to the article next week. Shalom11111 (talk) 19:07, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Update: I edited the list. I made sure all of America’s richest families [9] are included. I then added all the missing families from the Arab world [10]. An important note: Only families with over 2 billion USD were added (consider the fact that the criteria for an individual to be on Forbes billionaires list is 1 B, and that the Asian list's last family has no less than 5 B USD). Families from the Asian list still need to be added [11]/[12] - I will have a go at it if no one else does. Families with a staggering net worth of over 10 billion USD should justify an article of their own. I also added cn tags to many individuals (again, they belong in the richest people's list, not this one which is about families) and those who won't be provided proper citations with sources saying the source of money is family-oriented, will have their profiles removed from here soon. Regards, Shalom11111 (talk) 18:51, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Update #2: I have added all the families from the Arab world, Asia, and everything I could find from South America (mostly Brazil) to the list, using the above-mentioned sources. The article now encompasses the entire world. Only families with a combined net worth of at least $5 billion were included, because apparently such lists often start from this sum (and there are dozens of constantly changing lists of hard to define families with around $1 billion). The Bloomberg Billionaires Index's list, here, can be of use with cautious - only when the description of the person in the Overview section on top refers to him/her as "the family" (I added one example from there to the article, it will take a lot of time to go through all the names in that list but anyone is welcome to do so); it is required, as the lead of the article says, that the family has members outside of the nuclear family. The article still displays many characters lacking a citation (finding a source for some of those, who are understandably on the list, may be a bit tricky) - that shall be removed later. Shalom11111 (talk) 08:41, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

I have now removed dozens of unsourced/OR/vastly outdated/non-family names from the list, per Wikipedia's guidelines. Additional information from the following Category:Business families can be added to the article, accompanied with reliable sources. Shalom11111 (talk) 17:04, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts to maintain this interesting but difficult article. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:39, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

I thank you too, Shalom11111! Wonderful job, and much appreciated by me and the 626,762 people who viewed it in the last 12 months. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Gracias to you both for the kind and warming words. There's apparently so much more work to be done on this topic - which is important for many reasons - on Wikipedia. Shalom11111 (talk) 09:42, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Rothschilds part 3

I reverted the addition of the Rothschilds as the world's wealthiest family. Only one member appears on the Forbe's billionaire list. See this link which retracted the article sourced to place them at #1. [[13]] TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 01:46, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I reverted again - the source that was added listed one individual at <$2billion - that does not put the family at $170B. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:18, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

The Rothschilds have been added to the top of the list again, with a wealth of $400B. I question the credibility of celebritynetworth.com, since they don't name their sources.[[14]] The adding editor does not discuss, and just reverts me, so I'll just mark this as dubious until a better source comes along. This is problematic also because persistent claims of extreme Rothschild wealth have been equated with anti-Semitism, so this bears watching. Here's Snopes' take on this. [[15]] They claim the wealth figures are unsubstantiated. In any case, I messaged celebritynetworth.com and asked them for their sources. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:52, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for properly handling the situation, TimTempleton. Reading past threads on this talk page, it is evident that this notable family was brought up several times, and this is what is known for sure:

• A sufficiently reliable source has yet support the current 400 B figure. The Snopes article is very useful, indeed.
• Forbes lists only one member of that family as a billionaire [16]. As far I as I know, and I'm fairly confident about it, they've never published an official estimate of the entire family's net worth.
• With that in mind, Investopedia - a trustworthy company - noted [17]: "Due to their relatively low profiles and private business activities, the Rothschilds have captured the imagination of financial historians and conspiracy theorists alike. It is difficult to track and verify their various holdings among so many descendants, but they are still fabulously wealthy." They put the family's net worth between 350 B - 2 trillion, but as TimTempleton said here's what they wrote later: "CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article cited an estimate of the combined net worth of the Rothschilds at $350 billion. That estimate came from a source that does not meet Investopedia's standards, and we have consequently retracted it. Similarly, an estimate that the Rothschilds controlled more than $2 trillion worth in assets was also inadequately sourced and retracted." Nevertheless, it was circulated and even the NY Daily News[18] used the 350 B figure.
• Countless sites and videos on the internet claim that the Rothschild family controls countries' banks, up to 50% of the world economy, and put their number at 100 trillion (solely for this purpose, here's an example) - these are obviously baseless, ridiculous, conspiratorial, and indeed often antisemitic. The annual GDP of the United States is 18.5 trillion...

I suggest we wait for celebritynetworth.com's email reply to you, and then decide what to do. Either way, they ought to be mentioned in the article. We have some creativity here! Shalom11111 (talk) 10:16, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

I searched for a source that supports the 350B or 400B estimate, but no reliable, investigative or academic source was found. Several small and random did cite the figure and the source in question, which may have cited Investopedia, which retracted its claim... Here's a quote about it from the Financial Times, which could be used in the article: "The [Rothschild] family empire is divided among a web of descendants and a few external shareholders. The ownership structure is opaque, which makes it hard to estimate the family wealth, although it is one of the richest in the world." [19]. Neither did this Telegraph article about the mentioned-above family's wealth point at a number [20]. Timtempleton, did you hear back from CelebrityNetWorth? If not, this info would have to be removed from the list and instead be given an appropriate mention in the lead. Shalom11111 (talk) 23:22, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

For the record, this issue has also been discussed at the user's talk page. The Rothschild family was removed from the list (until a better verification comes in the future) and is now mentioned in the article appropriately. Shalom11111 (talk) 08:40, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

An update

The structure and content of this article are nearing completion, as the above issues have been either resolved or improved. One thing though: The current pragmatic net worth limit needed in order to enter the list should be lowered - again (probably to 1 billion USD) - and thus include the several dozen families who were excluded. Consider what Forbes said about the subject: "When you share a multibillion-dollar fortune with 40 cousins, does that make you a billionaire? Not according to Forbes. Still, we tracked down more than two dozen "extended family fortunes" worthy of note, not just for their size in dollars, but also the number of relatives." [21] These wealthy and influential families are composed of a large number of members - who are often not listed on billionaires lists and seldom have an article on Wikipedia - yet they're notable of course and require documentation here as well. Therefore, the rest of the families from the Arab world, Russia, Brazil, UK, Africa and other lists should be added. All of the links are already in the article. If no one takes the initiative to do so, then I will in the near future. Shalom11111 (talk) 08:56, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Proposed Changes

Hi, I am the archivist and historian for SC Johnson. I acknowledge that I have a conflict of interest and am writing to request an edit to the Wikipedia list of wealthiest families. Under "Contemporary Rankings" and the line about S.C. Johnson, please remove Johnson Family Enterprises under “source of wealth”. Johnson Family Enterprises does not exist and the page the name refers to was previously removed as per deletion request.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Johnson_Family_Enterprises) Thanks! Wax86 (talk) 22:26, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done .spintendo⋅⋅) 00:35, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Saud-Family

The English Wiki-Page of the Saud-Family states that their combined net worth is over a Trillion $. Why don't they appear on the list? --Steffen0492 (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

An excellent question. Can we find sources? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:26, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/18/this-royal-familys-wealth-could-be-more-than-1-trillion.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.8.9.86 (talk) 10:25, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Because this article is about families EXCLUDING royal and aristocratic families. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.8.9.86 (talk) 11:05, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Bezos: the Bezos family... and will it still be a "family" in this list in the future?

Two thoughts. Or one thought and a question.

• Jeff Bezos seems to be missing from the list.
• with a Bezos divorce underway (public since January 2019), media have reported that given Washington State is a community property state, that wealth will divide into two parts, close to equal, in the next year or so. When it does, do we still consider both chunks of "Bezos" wealth, Jeff Bezos and [the former Mrs.] MacKenzie Bezos chunks, to be a part of the same pile for purposes of this particular esoteric Wikipedia article? N2e (talk) 19:53, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

1. This list is not about nuclear families/ individuals, there's a different list for that. 2. We should follow what reliable sources say or call the richest families (in lists, etc.); Jeff Bezos and MacKenzie Scott do not seem to be referred to as such. Best, Shalom11111 (talk) 19:24, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Jenner/Kardashian

Their wealth as been disputed and argued a lot, particularly Kylie Jenner who is not a billionaire, so I ask why they are on here?--BabyBella99 (talk) 01:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Saputo

Saputo (Canada) is in there twice, with wildly different net worth estimates. Otherwise the two entries each have distinct information particularly in the references, so they ought to be merged, if someone can decide which wealth number to use.2001:56A:F0E9:9B00:C10B:A254:93FE:F8C1 (talk) 06:50, 9 February 2023 (UTC)JustSomeWikiReader

Why remove the Wallenbergs on the list? 278 Billion ISD according to Financial Times 2019.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/26/swedish-billionaire-protectionism-leading-world-in-wrong-direction.html Athoren1 (talk) 13:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion for a higher bar for family inclusion

While a billion dollar is sometimes used for listing richest individuals, this bar is relatively low for a family. There are atleast 2,640 billionaires in the world in 2023 accoring to Forbes (each could be considered as a family of one), and trying to list all families with valuation of more than just one billion dollars would be almost impossible (there are probably tens of thousands of such).

I suggest listing only families with valuation of at least 10 billion dollars. It seems to me as a more appropriate bar for listing the richest families on a global scale (compared to maybe regional or country listings).

What do you think? Baruch Benedictus Spinoza (talk) 23:11, 10 April 2023 (UTC)